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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Group Purchase for O'Connor etc.

Agreed, Michelle was great to deal with.

Steve, thank you very much for arranging this. Its most definitely appreciated.

Hopefully they get those extra two orders in time!

Vince
 
Belated thanks to you, Steve, for doing all this legwork and saving us all some money.

Got my order in at the last minute. Nice folks at that company.
 
All the 2575 heads i´ve been working with had mitchell system. Do you know the dissadvantages of a 150mm bowl vs the flat mitchell monuting plate?

Also, i am getting confused with the different plates for attaching the red one to the head.
I guess the head comes with an Arri plate.
Red sells an arri plate (with 19 or 15" bars).
But also there is a standard plate in the standard pack.
I´ve been shooting with the RED but i dont remember the plates since i was the DP and not the AC. Can anyone tell me what this all mean?
Thanks guys!
 
I can't say for sure, but I like to think the Mitchel mout is a bit more robust. Other than that, the key difference is you don't level your system at the tripod head, you level the supports on which the head sits. I would prefer the Mitchel mount approach for heads that will regularly be used on jibs, dollies, carts, MoCo applications, etc..

That said, a ball mount can work the same way. Just level the support system and then make sure the head is level too. It's just one more thing to level up.
 
macgregor said:
All the 2575 heads i´ve been working with had mitchell system. Do you know the dissadvantages of a 150mm bowl vs the flat mitchell monuting plate?

Also, i am getting confused with the different plates for attaching the red one to the head.
I guess the head comes with an Arri plate.
Red sells an arri plate (with 19 or 15" bars).
But also there is a standard plate in the standard pack.
I´ve been shooting with the RED but i dont remember the plates since i was the DP and not the AC. Can anyone tell me what this all mean?
Thanks guys!
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I prefer the Mitchell plate, but it really depends on your needs. I own a Jib that is Mitchell based and rent a Fisher Dolly on most shoots which is also mitchell, so the 150mm ball just gets in the way. If you dont use these items you might be better off with the 150mm.

As far as the top plate goes, it really doesnt matter (they will all work w/ Red)...if you dont know go with the oconnor plate...if you have an Arriflex go w/ Arri, if you rent Panavision on most shoots Panavision, etc...otherwise just stick w/ oconnor plate.

BTW- the 2575 is too big for the Red...go w/ the 2060 instead.

I just read Jeff's post- yes the advantage to the ball head is its easy to level as opposed to the Mitchell. With the Mitchell you have to level the sticks instead of the head. But as I said it depends on your use.

I ordered 2060 w. Mitchell base and Oconnor plate and alum legs (baby + standard) w/ mitchell base...hope that helps.
 
Thanks a lot dFX!

Well, a fully loaded RED is as heavy as any other camera.

I think the 2060 might be good for the red, but i´ve used the 2575 with all cameras that i normally use (varicam, HDCAMs, Arris) and even with a "light" varicam, it performs beautifully.

The 1030HD is not sufficient for cine style.

A red one fully loaded is heavier than a Varicam, ergo, i better pay the extra money and get something that will cover all situations. XD

Thanks for the clarification on the plates topic.

BTW, i was interested in the baby tripod, but reading the specs it says minimum height 10 cm, how can this be so low?Is the spreader opening soooooo much to let us go so low?
 
Is the ball head removeable on the 2575? This use to be a standard practice on fluid heads. It would then revel a standard Mitchell base.
 
I'm going to agree with digitalfx in regards the 2575 head. Unless you are continuously using very overloaded setups, it's just overkill. I'd be curious to know what configurations you will be using to justify the 2575???
 
Chuck, I think the ball mount is removable. But it's not a Mitchell base underneath, I think the ball would have to be swapped for a Mitchell plate. All of O'Connors heads can be ordered with a ball mount or mitchell base.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Chuck, I think the ball mount is removable. But it's not a Mitchell base underneath, I think the ball would have to be swapped for a Mitchell plate. All of O'Connors heads can be ordered with a ball mount or mitchell base.
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Ah I see. I must be thinking back to the days when ball heads were new and various companys offered the units to modify the standard base . Still it seems that it would make sense to build them so it could be a quick swap out. Might be economics or something.
 
If your head of choice uses a 100mm ball and you want to mount it on a crane, dolly etc. which always have a Mitchell base you can go this route which would keep you from having to swap out the base on the head itself. I assume you can use the standard tie down that works with the ball head.
Also handy if your using a Mitchell high hat on your camera cart.
And lets you use those beautiful and steady Mitchell wooden legs which can sometimes be had for a song.

http://www.filmtools.com/mitchell-100mm-ball.html
 
macgregor said:
Thanks a lot dFX!

Well, a fully loaded RED is as heavy as any other camera.

I think the 2060 might be good for the red, but i´ve used the 2575 with all cameras that i normally use (varicam, HDCAMs, Arris) and even with a "light" varicam, it performs beautifully.

The 1030HD is not sufficient for cine style.

A red one fully loaded is heavier than a Varicam, ergo, i better pay the extra money and get something that will cover all situations. XD

Thanks for the clarification on the plates topic.

BTW, i was interested in the baby tripod, but reading the specs it says minimum height 10 cm, how can this be so low?Is the spreader opening soooooo much to let us go so low?
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I was going to get the 2575 too, but after receiving the Red I feel its not quite heavy enough for the 2575. The 2060 should be a much better mate.

The 2575 works best w/ a 60-80lb package, whereas the 2060 has a sweet spot around 35-65 lbs.

The Red fully configured is 30-45 lbs.

4" huh....seems pretty low...have not tried the newer CINE HD BABY yet, I guess I will find out.
 
I was seriously trying to pull funds together for this purchase but I was just curios if my Cartoni Focus head will handle a RED package. I know this may have been answered but if you have an idea please fill me in. The head can balance up to 22 pounds so I suppose it depends on how heavy a RED you build. What is the average RED build weight...owners?
 
I had the RED with 18-50mm zoom, LCD with arm, Arri MB20 with 18" steel rods on the Cartoni Focus and it could not handle the weight.

Steve

Haskell said:
I was seriously trying to pull funds together for this purchase but I was just curios if my Cartoni Focus head will handle a RED package. I know this may have been answered but if you have an idea please fill me in. The head can balance up to 22 pounds so I suppose it depends on how heavy a RED you build. What is the average RED build weight...owners?
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Haskell,

The Cartoni Focus has been mentioned around here off and on... Sadly, it won't handle RED.

If you're on a real tight budget and want something good. Seriously take a look at an old O'Connor 50D or something similar. There's a 50D head with sticks on ebay right now that had a buy it now price of like $450. To say it looks well used would be and understatement, but it may not be a bad buy for the price. Seller claims it all still works just fine, and it probably does.

Another route to consider is talking with various rental houses and see what they have for b-stock or anything coming back on lease return or similar. I found a killer deal on a refurbished Miller Arrow 55 system with the Sprinter II 2-stage CF sticks, mid spreader and a soft bag. This same system sells for about $5800 from B&H, but I picked it up for less than half of that after shipping. It looks great from the pictures, but I won't know for sure until tomorrow when UPS delivers it. :)
 
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