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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

..Game Changer...Take 2...Relentless...$1800 very small camera stabilizer...

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread...-Relentless-1800-very-small-camera-stabilizer

Dane Henry said:
The top link is only a 2 axis gimble...the MoVi is a 3 axis so you get pan stabilization as well.

We just used that gimble on a production flying an NEX. The brushless motors really are a giant leap forward for RC Heli/handheld stabilization...even with the 2 axis we dont have to use post-stabilization if we dont get unexpected pan vibration from wind. Pretty bad ass.-dane
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They just posted first footage from it. A 2 axis gimbal for very small lightweight cameras like NEX or BLackMagic pocket cinema camera.

http://defygimbal.com/#up
 
Quick catch Steve!

Here's the 2-axis footage mentioned.

[video]https://vimeo.com/user18920121/defytestfootage[/video]

More to see what the 3-axis is like... and how it compares to the Movi (in terms of footage/price/software etc)
 
Les Dittert said:
I'll tell you why. The footage still looks shaky. You see, these rigs are light weight and only stabilize half of the axis that are unstable.
And the 3 that they do stabilize: yaw,pitch and roll, are the ones that are easy to do post image stabilize on as well.
Here is an example to illustrate the problem:
Hold the little 3 axis gadget and film a chair in a room. move it side to side a bit, and then up and down. Like when you walk. If you look at the video you see the problem. Shaky.
Furthermore the remaining 'loose' axis's , X and Y , are causing perspective changes of the chair against the BG and this can not be removed with commercial software stabilizers.
The REAL game changer will the the first one that releases a 5 axis stabilizer. Add X and Y translation and now you have smooth shots. ( Z is not as critical, can be omitted ).
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They have released that. It's called a Steadicam :-)
 
More news on the Defy Gimbal

Video of the lightweight rig


Looks OK. Interested to see what/how the two control modes 'Follow me' and 'Stabilize' funtion.

And a $2300 price point for their lighter rig (G2) - http://defygimbal.com/defy-g2-gimbal-preorders-july-9th/

Will be interesting to see the footage and price point of the EPic/larger camera version (G10) and DSLR build (G5).

Wonder if Freefly will react with a price drop on the Movi.
 
Andy White said:
More news on the Defy Gimbal

Video of the lightweight rig


Looks OK. Interested to see what/how the two control modes 'Follow me' and 'Stabilize' funtion.

And a $2300 price point for their lighter rig (G2) - http://defygimbal.com/defy-g2-gimbal-preorders-july-9th/

Will be interesting to see the footage and price point of the EPic/larger camera version (G10) and DSLR build (G5).

Wonder if Freefly will react with a price drop on the Movi.
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Is it just me or is the footage *really* shaky in terms of showing all the footsteps of the operator? It has no "glide" feel to it.
 
Victor Lin said:
Is it just me or is the footage *really* shaky in terms of showing all the footsteps of the operator? It has no "glide" feel to it.
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There's a definite foot step motion (that is visible once you see it) - there's a similar motion on the Movi (although not as visible). A lot of this may well come down to the software/code side and how these systems interpolate human walking, which is very different from camera stabilization on small copters.

Time will tell, once these systems start to appear in the wild and on real projects.
 
Andy White said:
Well, let's see what happens - they're on a short schedule to July - so they might beat the Movi.

I think it'll come down to software... to sell this against the Movi they'll need some type of 'majestic mode' (single operator), and that's probably where a lot of teh focus is with the Movi at the moment.

But, if it can compete with the Movi, we might see some price drops on that system...

My feeling is these type of units will end up on the end of Easyrigs or Steadicam arms - I suppose time will tell if they're a fad or the net big thing.

Certainly going to keep an eye on the Defy Gimbal - any price ranges yet?
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Majestic mode or whatever you want to call it is already available on the controllers you can buy now for $150. Add some motors at another $200 and a frame $400 and you basically have the Movi or at least very close to it.

This was hacked together afternoon conversion which is well on its way to doing most of what you'd want...

I agree though by next year you'd be cooler to not be selling one of these as everyone is going to sell them.

 
That's cool. Now add in the other two missing axis ( X and Y translate ) and you will have something really smooth.
 
Well, another H/H gimbal to add to the watch list. Besteady - http://www.besteady.pro/?page_id=33

Here's one of the videos, it 'seems' to have less of the prominent footsteps of the Defy... but that could be down to a lot of differing factors.

 
Les Dittert said:
I'll tell you why. The footage still looks shaky. You see, these rigs are light weight and only stabilize half of the axis that are unstable.
And the 3 that they do stabilize: yaw,pitch and roll, are the ones that are easy to do post image stabilize on as well.
Here is an example to illustrate the problem:
Hold the little 3 axis gadget and film a chair in a room. move it side to side a bit, and then up and down. Like when you walk. If you look at the video you see the problem. Shaky.
Furthermore the remaining 'loose' axis's , X and Y , are causing perspective changes of the chair against the BG and this can not be removed with commercial software stabilizers.
The REAL game changer will the the first one that releases a 5 axis stabilizer. Add X and Y translation and now you have smooth shots. ( Z is not as critical, can be omitted ).
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+1 on that
 
Eric M Hurt said:
Waiting to see some 50mm or 65mm lens work. The wide cheater lenses are one thing, but how easy is it to frame up and actor....
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exactly - even on these wide lenses half the time the composition is shit. There are times when it is good but from ALL these videos it is clear that it is difficult to hold an intentional composition throughout a camera move. The Movi video is a great example of this.
 
The fotsteps will not go away until you put these things on a steady arm as they come from jerky X and Y moment, wich is somthing none of these rigs can do anything about no matter what kind of software or motors... Simple test, let go of the handle bar and then pick up the camera equipment from the floor... review the imagery, probably not stable. That was then Y moment messing it up for you. Same thing goes for moments in the X axis.

But, anyone that has tested not even a poor steady cam but even a super professional one, perfectly calibrated/balanced steady cam rig, knows how tricky that is. Aiming, holding a none tilted camera etc etc... All that is really hard and takes years and a good chiropractor to learn. So yes these rigs will come in very heavy use I think. I also think that the settled X,Y movements is giving it a bit of human life that a lot of times can be missing in normal steady cam shots, and that are to much in normal camera on shoulder kind of walks. The Movi gives a good human dreamy feel, I think.

Also I see these things, with their low weight and all, gaffer taped onto long sticks, sticking out off the sunroofs from cars, Then they will make the Russian arm car look as modern as a world war II tank... Or attached a Movi to wheels on wires, how hard is it then to build a descent spider cam when this stuff actually hits etc, etc. The kids will definitely do it when they shoot their friends biking or skating so I think the professional crowd needs to adapt quite quickly...
 
Yeesh I'm second guessing my Movi pre-order now if I'm hearing that they're grossly overpriced.
 
Eric M Hurt said:
Waiting to see some 50mm or 65mm lens work. The wide cheater lenses are one thing, but how easy is it to frame up and actor....
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That's when you need a second operator to aim the camera with a wireless monitor, like you would in a multirotor setup... The camera operator basically becomes a 'pilot', only concerned with putting the rig in the right place.
 
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