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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Fincher + Probst = Xenomorph - Mindhunter Camera Dept.

Alex.Mitchell said:
I can see why the decision was made to go with Zaxnet and Zaxcom digital audio. They really are innovative over there and I'm euphoric that those technologies got integrated into this camera.
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Me too... Zaxcom is the Red of the Audio world. Sounddevices is def the Arri;-)
 
This is a terrific idea, RED should definitely crank these out. Much as I love the small DSMC brains, rigging a good balanced handheld setup on them is a faff.

Even offering as a semi-permanent case for weapon, with space in the back for rigging the extras would be fantastic. Can we make it happen?
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
I wonder how many deposits it would take to convince someone to tool up and crank these bad boys out? Sort of like a group buy situation, with the cost per unit dropping as the number of paid orders increased. I'd guess the cost of a one-off (or two off) is north of $25K, but IF they could be made in a decent sized batch for a reasonable price...
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It should not need any convincing whatsoever if any potential manufacturer considers how practical it is to grab a a camera head or a cine style rig and go straight from the bag to the shoulder.
And back from the shoulder to the bag. Or hard case(s), with a cine style rig.
And what might be the number of potential buyers of those who might find this useful.
And why Amira exists.
And why the modularity concept in the first place.

$25K if you really need all the bells and whistles and a production van on your shoulder. Most shooters don't.
Basic click-in ergonomic shell with battery slot, rosettes on the body, front rail slots, I/O on the right back and monitor/EVF arm on the smart side would do in most cases.
Three configurable pots on the smart side and that's it. Optional Starship Nostromo upgrade = $$$
 
To me at least, the shell is part of the elegance of the solution. With proper materials and design, it should offset most of the impact of it's weight by improving the balance. BTW, just because a "shell" solution provides a more functional - and always ready - shoulder mount option, doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still hard mount to sticks/dolly/jib/etc.

I happen to dig flexibility - especially the kind that doesn't require any re-rigging in the field. I'll never understand the anti-ENG bias - do people just prefer less convenience? You can always pull the brain out of the shell - preferably with one disconnection point right on the back of the brain - and specialty rig that compact little brain (& media bay) all day long. If the Xenomorph people are at all interested that would be great, if they're not - perhaps they'd license the design to Hector and Steven? The technology we attach to our cameras these days has matured a bit - as has the base RED platform, now called DSMC2, which Jarred has promised to support until 2020. Easier to pencil out ROI on a module when you can count on the other side of the interface - the camera - to hold form factor for longer.

For a lot of operators there would be great value in a consistently laid out rear shell that supported both shoulder and fixed mounting with one click on a QuickRelease. It would provide a consistent configuration for rental pools with the shell offering nice protection for the small devices and wiring within. Arranging the antennas in a smart way - and - providing a well laid out cooling path that accounts for all the add ons - that's singing my song.

Perhaps Creative Solutions/OMOD would be interested, or Wooden.

Deepest thanks to RDC for opening up to 3rd party integrators, it couldn't have been an easy decision. Thanks to Fincher/Probst/CameraTeam for expanding the envelope of what is possible with our favorite compact powerhouse. Exciting times!

Cheers - #19
 
Um, nope... Photos by me...

Demetri Zuev said:
Photo courtesy of Phil Holland

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What kind of Redmag is that? Doesn't look like Mini...
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Blair S. Paulsen said:
To me at least, the shell is part of the elegance of the solution. With proper materials and design, it should offset most of the impact of it's weight by improving the balance. BTW, just because a "shell" solution provides a more functional - and always ready - shoulder mount option, doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still hard mount to sticks/dolly/jib/etc.

I happen to dig flexibility - especially the kind that doesn't require any re-rigging in the field. I'll never understand the anti-ENG bias - do people just prefer less convenience? You can always pull the brain out of the shell - preferably with one disconnection point right on the back of the brain - and specialty rig that compact little brain (& media bay) all day long. If the Xenomorph people are at all interested that would be great, if they're not - perhaps they'd license the design to Hector and Steven? The technology we attach to our cameras these days has matured a bit - as has the base RED platform, now called DSMC2, which Jarred has promised to support until 2020. Easier to pencil out ROI on a module when you can count on the other side of the interface - the camera - to hold form factor for longer.

For a lot of operators there would be great value in a consistently laid out rear shell that supported both shoulder and fixed mounting with one click on a QuickRelease. It would provide a consistent configuration for rental pools with the shell offering nice protection for the small devices and wiring within. Arranging the antennas in a smart way - and - providing a well laid out cooling path that accounts for all the add ons - that's singing my song.

Perhaps Creative Solutions/OMOD would be interested, or Wooden.

Deepest thanks to RDC for opening up to 3rd party integrators, it couldn't have been an easy decision. Thanks to Fincher/Probst/CameraTeam for expanding the envelope of what is possible with our favorite compact powerhouse. Exciting times!

Cheers - #19
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But the design "as is" ins't a good shoulder option (from what I can see) :

- It's still too front heavy (like the Aja Cion camera design)
- The shoulder pad is too big (not ergonomic)
- The "module" is huge
- There is no v-lock tripod plate system

Pat
 
Jarred Land said:
This is designed for Fincher by Fincher exactly how he wanted it. you can't buy it . but it's a DSMC2 brain and module based off of the base expander so in reality you all could make your own versions of this if you wanted to...
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I remember seeing this months back in Jarred's office and marveling at the engineering that went into these. That goes to show you that anything is possible :)
 
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Patrick Tresch said:
But the design "as is" ins't a good shoulder option (from what I can see) :

- It's still too front heavy (like the Aja Cion camera design)
- The shoulder pad is too big (not ergonomic)
- The "module" is huge
- There is no v-lock tripod plate system

Pat
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Have you filmed with one?

My guess is that there was input from DPs and operators that David highly respects and they designed it in a way that makes sense for them. There's some things that can be determined from photos and I'm sure some things need to be experienced first hand.

I've always been interested in a RED that was closer in design to this. I would probably have to operate it as configured and see how it works for my build/frame but it's a bit eerie to see this materialize as it's something I thought a lot about when Epic was first released and I opted to not upgrade from Red One. If the money is there at some point maybe I'll take Jarred up on the customized body.

Very cool to see this kind of stuff happening.
 
Patrick Tresch said:
But the design "as is" ins't a good shoulder option (from what I can see) :

- It's still too front heavy (like the Aja Cion camera design)
- The shoulder pad is too big (not ergonomic)
- The "module" is huge
- There is no v-lock tripod plate system

Pat
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You can tell mr. Fincher next time you see him that you disagree with everything he wanted :)
 
Jarred Land said:
You can tell mr. Fincher next time you see him that you disagree with everything he wanted :)
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Tell me it's well ballanced on the soulder with a 35mm MP. (I won't ever have the opportunity to touch one)
I would love to buy any module that has Mr. Fincher's specs but only if it'is well ballanced on the shoulder.

Pat
 
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Patrick Tresch said:
Tell me it's well ballanced on the soulder with a 35mm MP. (I won't ever have the opportunity to touch one)
I would love to buy any module that has Mr. Fincher's specs but only if it'is well ballanced on the shoulder.
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As Mr. Probst mentioned online it's balanced when you attach a battery. Fincher knew long, long ago that Summilux-C primes would be used on this camera which all fall in the 3.5-4lb realm mostly.

I'm often dumbfounded by the balancing criticism regarding DSMC and DSMC2 cameras. Place the shoulder pad under the camera or just behind it, place the battery plate further back via rods. Balance your rig like people have been doing for decades. In these times where people deal with gimbals so much I can't fathom how this is still a topic. Heck, grab a Clutch like I did and use the front chest pad if you need to go jogging down the street while spinning plates in both hands.
 
Phil Holland said:
As Mr. Probst mentioned online it's balanced when you attach a battery. Fincher knew long, long ago that Summilux-C primes would be used on this camera which all fall in the 3.5-4lb realm mostly.

I'm often dumbfounded by the balancing criticism regarding DSMC and DSMC2 cameras.
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I wonder if this has more to do with marketing from third party rig manufactures like Zacuto, who has put a lot of emphasis on their "recoil" line that places the camera right over the shoulder.
 
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