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Film vs. RED. A real comparison.

Jannard

Jannard

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The Lord of the Rings Trilogy was shot on film by Peter Jackson. He shot 7 million feet of film for all three features.

Peter has now shot The Hobbit on RED EPICs in 3D. It is the film equivalent to 27 million feet of film. And he is not done shooting.

Some RED SSDs were used over 1000 times. We know because the production complained that our counters only went to 999. We fixed that.

Interesting facts. Who knows what this means. :-)

Jim
 
AWESOMENESS

It means film stock companies are going out of business & filmmakers such as Peter Jackson are having a lot of fun :)
 
Amazing Jim - Simply amazing - Hope we all could squeeze that much out of our scarlet and Epics.

Cant wait for the Hobbit. !
 
Whoa. That's a lot of footage!

27 million feet of film would weigh approximately 67,500 tons. I'm pretty sure Peter saved a loaders life by shooting on REDMAGs.
 
I want to see a pros/cons list of Digital and Film from people that still shoot on film. I have a feeling there would be a lot of subjective reasoning given. "I just prefer the look". Me too, that's why we have Film Grain and film stock simulators.
 
It means editors are going to hate Red! Haha
 
The equivalent of 27,000,000 feet of trouble free footage. Not bad. And more to come.

Jim
 
Luke Neumann said:
I want to see a pros/cons list of Digital and Film from people that still shoot on film. I have a feeling there would be a lot of subjective reasoning given. "I just prefer the look". Me too, that's why we have Film Grain and film stock simulators.
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Back at Technicolor, the best reason I could give for shooting on film was, "if you screw up by a stop or two, chances are, we can still save it on film. Digital... not so much." But DPs have gotten more familiar with the tools over the years, and I think they're keenly aware of the limitations, benefits, and flaws of digital across many platforms. They know how to take advantage of its positive points and how to avoid the negative.

A real "Film vs. Red" comparison would involve actually tying down two cameras together and shooting a simultaneous scene across many different lighting variations, not unlike what the ASC did some years back with their StEM Test.
 
Erwin van Dijck said:
Only a couple of days before the release of the first Hobbit film... I'm looking forward to see how it all worked out. And we found a 4K HFR 3D Cinema here in the netherlands (IMAX)!
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So they really finished the movie in 4K, right? I'm completely lost, everybody saying different things. Some say DI and effects all done in full 5K, no less; then other people claim it's a 2K show. Knowing that Peter repeatedly mentioned in various of interviews how 4K/5K footage of The Hobbit looks amazingly like 70mm film and even more clear and sharp in 3D, I doubt he'd be satisfied with the final master delivered in inferior resolution, which would be a shame. I suspect if 4K/3D/48fps package exists, it would sell like ohmygod with RedRay Laser Projector sometime next year. I mean... duh!
 
Marc Wielage said:
Back at Technicolor, the best reason I could give for shooting on film was, "if you screw up by a stop or two, chances are, we can still save it on film. Digital... not so much." But DPs have gotten more familiar with the tools over the years, and I think they're keenly aware of the limitations, benefits, and flaws of digital across many platforms. They know how to take advantage of its positive points and how to avoid the negative.

A real "Film vs. Red" comparison would involve actually tying down two cameras together and shooting a simultaneous scene across many different lighting variations, not unlike what the ASC did some years back with their StEM Test.
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For sure there will be a lots of pros and cons on both sides but for continues innovation and technology, the digital is already on its way going ahead, of course nobody wants to be left behind. Yes i agree of the above, we would be much more happy if JIM could discover to record data on RED CAMERA like the way how film is recorded or playback. Like for example if the data got small bad sector somewhere in the middle part or in the begining you can just easily skip or jump the bad sector and proceed on next sector and go ahead with recording or playback. What happen to the most of the SSD, CF Cards and other digital recordable media is... you can not proceed to do the works beyond the bad sector not like film you can skip forward, cut or jump some few inches and continue working.
 
Andreas Mendritzki said:
It means there are a lot of Assistant Editor's out there pulling All-Nighters!!
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I don't think that is what He meant, at list I hope not, it is always sad to see people loose their businesses and jobs, but the fact of the matter is that there is such a thing called PROGRESS, and one must adapt or be left to the dust, it is not only valid for Film vs. Digital, but for many form of Manufacturing as well, and the type of Fuels they consume, such is life, we must always be ahed of the curve, and allow our selves to learn and re-learn when needed as needed, or we will not succeed in staying in business.


Film had its run, now its time for an other technology to take over, so all of those that worked in Film need to learn or re-leanr or adapt to the new ways of the Digital world, or change the line of work entirely, as Film is literally at its last droplets of Rolls.
 
Jannard said:
Some RED SSDs were used over 1000 times. We know because the production complained that our counters only went to 999. We fixed that.
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I know this was not the point of the post, but how can we get our hands on that tool that counts cycles on a REDMAG?
Is that publicly available?

David
 
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