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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EVF or LCD?

:innocent: ...nice weather we're having... :whistling:

Ah...I'm one of the dudes guilty of the "720p LCD" assumption!

Man...it feel so good to fess up on that! A few months ago when it was posted by Stuart on another site that the LCD would be an "HD LCD", and he also posted here that the HDMI would output 720p, and that the EVF would be 720p, I jumped to the conclusion that the LCD would be 720p, and posted "720p LCD" on DVX USER RED Forum and here on RED User. My bad!

To my credit, on Post #22 of this thread, after seeing Jim's mention that the LCD was WSVGA on another site, I posted the correct info for the LCD resolution.

Sorry to steer anyone wrong! Anyone who still thinks "Gibby has all the answers" now knows the truth. The truth is...even my wife doesn't believe I have all the answers! (or should I say especially doesn't believe!)

If you promise not to keelhaul me or make me walk the plank, I promise to never be wrong again...(he he)

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BTW - I'm with Chris Kenny on the difference between 1280x720 and 1024x600 being negligible in field use. There are so many other factors involved with a good LCD besides resolution data. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm buying both the EVF and LCD with my first camera, then I'll decide what I want with the second camera. I need both the EVF and LCD for the variety of work I do...
 
Do I have to have a RED reserved to buy either an LCD or EVF or can I just buy an EVF and put it in a shrine to worship?
 
Emanuel said:
Nevertheless, you have the support of new but sincere friends here.

Cheers :wink:
Emanuel & Jo

EDIT -- Even @PC_side vs. yours. But because we're two we count twice. :)
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It is having the support of new friends like you, Jo and people like Gibby that really bolsters my spirit and makes me work harder.:biggrin: Having the RED at the end of the tunnel is insane. Lately, I have all the work that I can handle and my RED system is fully paid for... now I am working for lenses!:devil:

BTW, Ralph get the EVF- then the LCD. The advantages of using the EVF when fully revealed should be mind blowing and allow all of us to take their craft to another level.

Cheers everyone and thank you for all the support and PM's, it all means alot.

Andrew Benz
 
I would like to buy the evf and just run a cheap lcd for my 1st. Asst. I believe I remember hearing the lcd ports were propritary. Is this correct or can a person run any lcd off of it? I may be way off here as I have not researched lcd's and there may not be a cheaper option?

Can anyone help me with these questions?
 
I believe Stuart said the EVF and LCD ports are proprietary...

Nothing would stop you from going from the HD-SDI outs through a converter to an outboard LCD of any make, although going that route you wouldn't get all the key info from the camera that the proprietary bus gives you.

(P.S Finner - on another subject, check out the new EFP/ENG forum they put up)
 
Gibby said:
I believe Stuart said the EVF and LCD ports are proprietary...

Nothing would stop you from going from the HD-SDI outs through a converter to an outboard LCD of any make, although going that route you wouldn't get all the key info from the camera that the proprietary bus gives you.

(P.S Finner - on another subject, check out the new EFP/ENG forum they put up)
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The camera info is the dilema Gibby. This is all info I would want my 1st to have access to. port adapter maybe? Thing is I don't think I really need the high end LCD for the work I do but maybe I will not be able to find a much cheaper option?

Checked the efp/eng site I bet a lot of you guys are stoked about it.

By the way Gibby did you sign up for the presentation I e-mailed you, or do you not have the time for it?
 
No time...just at NAB on Monday and Tuesday. Totally bummed...wanted to go to that presentation. Thanks anyway...

I'd figure out a way to squeek out the funds to also get the RED LCD if you need the data for your 1st...
 
I don't care what they say, you can't shoot a good image in direct sunlight with any LCD screen, EVF is the way to go 100%, then go get yourself a cheap 720p computer lcd monitor and hook it to the hdmi out, or get yourself a nice 7inch 800x480 LCD use a cheap conversion box and run that as your monitor, they cost about $300 and the converter box runs about $100
 
If direct sunlight is that bad, just use a hood.

I'd love to get the EVF, but it's $3K vs $1700. I need the savings for some other accessories. LCD will work just fine for now.
 
obin said:
I don't care what they say, you can't shoot a good image in direct sunlight with any LCD screen, EVF is the way to go 100%, then go get yourself a cheap 720p computer lcd monitor and hook it to the hdmi out . . .
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Hmmm . . . I guess that would solve my Steadicam monitoring needs. Just need to find one that's REAL bright!
 
Jannard said:
I can't find one place where the reference is that the LCD is 720P.

Jim
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I've found the place:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5827&postcount=22

Brook Willard said:
More on REDFLASH and confirmation of a few things:

[...]

To clear up any potential confusion: the LCD is not onboard - it can be mounted anywhere on the body or on any accessories within cable reach. We know it's 720p, presumably 8-bit. This LCD can display the image or image/camera data [think waveform monitor, histogram, capture settings, frame rate, shutter angle, etc].

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So, the new confirmed list:

RED ONE camera body
720p LCD
RED FLASH interface no media included
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And you answered, Jim:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5831&postcount=23

Jannard said:
We will clarify all details soon... but a couple of corrections. The shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port. That will be an option (we don't think many will actually use it). The onboard RED FLASH drive WILL be included as part of the standard package (but not the media). The media will be a bargain (IMHO).

Jim
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You corrected Brooks in saying that the RAW optical port is part of the base package. But you didn't correct him in saying that the LCD is 720P. That's why we all took it for a fact.

What's more, you said that the RED FLASH drive is included in the base package. And now it's not... :huh:

Sorry, I don't want to be nitpicking. But I just needed to know why I also believed that the LCD was 720P. :bleh:
 
I must admit that I also assumed the LCD would be 720p based on a few threads where Red employees where replying to threads where the 720p specs were mentioned without correcting it.

I just found a few to prove to myself I wasn't crazy:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=378
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=959
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=933

Especially this thread is amusing although no Red's where involved:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96


Well, it's still higher resolution than most 5.6" screens, daylight viewable and has a high quality DVI connection.
 
Oh, come on, now it's my fault? ;)

I have stated that it was a 720p LCD a few times... because I believed it to be [and I'd never heard otherwise]. So for that, I apologize for leading folks astray.
 
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