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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Please spare me this cheesy pseudo 'art' talk. It's cringe-ful.
lets be objective here.
 
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Perhaps one way to make (almost) everyone happy would be to allow current Epic owners (before the price cut) to get some form of discount on the Meizler module (or Dragon update), thereby protecting their investment by augmenting their camera and making it more rent-worthy, while still allowing new users to jump on the Red bandwagon with the lower Epic brain prices. Just an idea.
 
Milan Spasic said:
Samir Patel said:
I would like to post my opinions on this matter and they are that... my opinions. I will say that I have always considered myself as an advanced user when it came to electronics and photographic equipment however I did not have a formal training in film or photography (honestly I didn't feel like I needed to waste money on formal training). I would like to applaud ANY potential price reduction on Scarlet and/or EPIC prices. I recently purchased a Scarlet camera in July of 2012 and I do not feel raw at all about any potential price reduction enacted by RED. It is NOT their responsibility to protect me in pricing. The last professional camera I owned was a Canon XL1S which I purchased probably in 2001 or 2002 if my memory serves right. I only have not upgraded since then because I expected technology would get better and I never found tech to be good enough since then and now. I feel RED only has a responsibility to continue cranking out the latest and greatest. It is obvious they are developing the Dragon and how do you expect them to adjust to announcements from competitors promoting new products. They ultimately have to drop prices. This is a great thing. I would not complain that they are dropping prices. That makes it that much quicker that I can upgrade to Epic. And who knows I may purchase more than one considering the new prices. It took me over 10 years to finally make a jump into purchasing a new professional camera system (solely because it was the only camera that I saw fit that met my needs and in my price category). I feel like others that have stated that this is simply moore's law. Things are moving very quickly now. But the fact is that I need a camera NOW. Not a year ago and not a year from now. Prices will come down now and while Rob made a decision to buy back then, I have no sympathy for him. I have to look out for myself just as RED has to look out for themselves. And as much as anyone thinks it is in RED's best interest to artificially drop prices (by not dropping them where they are a game changer, as Rob would suggest, I do not believe that) So Rob, do us a favor and stop trying to speak for the multitudes of silent RED purchasers which are upset by potential price decreases. I have been a silent RED purchaser as well and I did by recently and I am not upset by this potential price decrease. And I will not be within the 30 day window to which I would get a accessories credit and I still want prices to go down. Because I did not foolishly make a bad "Investment". The last time I checked RED was a consumer products company and a private company at that. They have no responsibility to Public "investors". I don't consider my purchase an investment. I consider it a gateway to making my dream a reality. And you know what. If I was solely in the rental game and bought to rent out this camera I would not blame or ask RED "to be reasonable" in reducing prices. I am not on their board of directors. You should have done your own research on investing in tech. It is not their responsibility in protecting you. They have a responsibility to making sure the product performs under warranty. Sorry but I am just sick of 91 pages of garbage in which you sound like you are looking out for all of us. Remove me from your "others who are silent". I do not agree with your opinions. And I have owned multiple businesses myself and have developed multiple business plans myself. Just so you know.
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You don't seem to have an even basic understanding of the business we are in. Nobody made an "investment in tech". We are professionals and cameras are the tools we use, not the "investment" that we just sit on our ass and wait to get return on. Some here are solely in the rentals business and that's different.
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Milan, owner ops worth for their skills, never for the capture device they have. It is your showreel to make the core of the price. I can understand this can have some weight on the daily rate for the combo, but you won't lose a gig 'cause the rental rate is lower now. And if you add more useful stuff to your offer, you can even beat your competitors. The important is that your acquisition gear is the state of the art, this is what matters in the end. I guess the main focus of Jim/Jarred, all the time, to offer it to their clientele. For the best bang for the buck. The only way to succeed in a severe competitive industry.
 
Well, this is just another reason an investment in a camera body is a bad idea. The rest of the camera companies hate RED for their tactics, and soon many of their own customers may as well. It is true that RED is not doing this for us, even though they are spinning it that way, they are doing it for one thing only... The bottom line. After having spent over 150k on RED gear I personally am feeling pretty burnt on this issue. However I also know that it is not RED's fault either. They have to, and we have to expect them to follow they market trends. They saw this coming and they have to react to the situation. We have to remember this industry is not fair. It is not for the weak. All I can say is thank God the people who make high quality lenses are NOT in a price war, or I would just sell all of my gear and be out for sure...
 
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Jon Jones said:
Well, this is just another reason an investment in a camera body is a bad idea. The rest of the camera companies hate RED for their tactics, and soon many of their own customers may as well. It is true that RED is not doing this for us, even though they are spinning it that way, they are doing it for one thing only...
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While there are other camera manufacturers to hate RED, we 95% of clients can feel safe with the future of this company.
 
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Drifting off..


But....

Actually I never have made more money than I did with my HVX200 and big balls...
But when I show people stuff, actually none of the hvx material would be in. Even though it was national tv and cinema commercials. I truly hate those....

I would be proud of what I have done with the pd 150's I managed to borrow. And what I have managed to finnish with the red one and epic.
Having access to the cameras, has thus not brought me much wealth....
Rather the oposite! Hahahahaha.
But it has changed my life in many ways.

One is that it has given me time to learn the tools pretty ok, and thus have a significantly better repetitive controll over them, rather than intuitve hunches as to what they "should" do.

And this again, has opened a lot of doors to me, both artistically and workwise.
I now work in contexts I enjoy, as opposed to making more money, but feeling like I only pressed out crap at an increasing pace.

It has also made me a few very interesting friends and collegaues around the world and have made it possible for me to experiment and become more selfsecure about my goals in life and cinematography.
And, because of the way I work, this has given me a significant insight into how images are created and signalchains affect the end result, it has given me access to even more people and knowledge than i had initially dreamed of.

So...
Commercially, maybe not significant in my case.
But as to quality of life and meeting interesting challenges and people and productions and situations, and my own development:
Totally invaluable.

Value is many things.
Money is one.

To put it like that.
I simply am not too interested in some lines of work, since they - despite giving me money - just makes me sad.

Others have different perspectives, and I totally respect that.

But to me, value is not measured in cash, but in images and satisfaction with life and work.

Red has been an essential part in improvements in those respects.

Access has given me time to explore.
Time to explore has given me confidence in all respects and aspects of the productions.
Knowledge derived from these explorations, have given me access to more knowledge and more interesting productions and people.

The money I make, is a byproduct of all this.
But the access has made it possible. to slow down, not speed up.
And that was exactly what I needed...

And when the Epic actually works for stills, too.

I am a happy camper.

Just wish the stills mode eveloved a bit.
But i am confident it will. In due time


Ok

Sorry for going ot here...
 
Gunleik Groven said:
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But it has changed my life in many ways.

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I now work in contexts I enjoy, as opposed to making more money, but feeling like I only pressed out crap at an increasing pace.

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But as to quality of life and meeting interesting challenges and people and productions and situations, and my own development:
Totally invaluable.

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Post of the entire RED era.
 
With my business model, it will take me years to recoup my camera investments.

Don't get me wrong...I try to get decent rates for my equipment, but I also have to understand my clients...mostly Non-Profit organizations.

So..do i say "Well Non-Profit Company X, seeing that you have a limited budget, I am going to shoot your video with the crappiest piece of camera we own"?

My father taught me to always wear a suit to a meeting...not only will you look good, but it will make you feel good too. Point being, everything I do is an extension of myself...I always want my work to reflect my best...hence, I will whip out my RED any day on any project.

Sometimes the math doesn't add up (it drives our accountant mad!)...maybe that's why I'm not financially well off. Yet I do get immense satisfaction every time we show final product...knowing that I've always chosen the best tool to get the job done.

If prices go down...oh well...good for the next generation of filmmakers. I learned this lesson years ago when I invested almost 100K on a MEDIA 100 only to see Final Cut obliterate its value.....
 
CocoBermudez said:
With my business model, it will take me years to recoup my camera investments.

Don't get me wrong...I try to get decent rates for my equipment, but I also have to understand my clients...mostly Non-Profit organizations.

So..do i say "Well Non-Profit Company X, seeing that you have a limited budget, I am going to shoot your video with the crappiest piece of camera we own"?

My father taught me to always wear a suit to a meeting...not only will you look good, but it will make you feel good too. Point being, everything I do is an extension of myself...I always want my work to reflect my best...hence, I will whip out my RED any day on any project.

Sometimes the math doesn't add up (it drives our accountant mad!)...maybe that's why I'm not financially well off. Yet I do get immense satisfaction every time we show final product...knowing that I've always chosen the best tool to get the job done.

If prices go down...oh well...good for the next generation of filmmakers. I learned this lesson years ago when I invested almost 100K on a MEDIA 100 only to see Final Cut obliterate its value.....
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LOL Priceless. I know your work. I am even used to link to others your " (The More) Perfect Yellow* " (and it is becoming viral), I'm sorry to tell you but you are only an artist ;-)

BTW, speaking of... Nice recommendation on topic (to you too, Jim/Jarred) :D


BTW part2, you should correct the aspect ratio on vimeo. The piece doesn't deserve it...
 
Hope the announcement is up soon. Hopefully it means we can buy some of the fantastic red lenses :D
Time to bring out the champagne... ;)
/Andreas
 
Emanuel A. said:
LOL Priceless. I know your work. I am even used to link to others your " (The More) Perfect Yellow* " (and it is becoming viral), I'm sorry to tell you but you are only an artist ;-)

BTW part2, you should correct the aspect ratio on vimeo. The piece doesn't deserve it...
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oh snap!...

Thanks Emanuel ...you are right....I am the black sheep of the family...my mom still changes the conversation every time a friend of hers asks what I do for a living....WTH!

By the way...thanks for the heads up on the aspect ration...got to learn me some Vimeo 101....
 
Great Sentiments Coco. Emanuel, thanks for posting his short...that was truly hilarious and awesome!!

I think we are at the brink of the announcement and as much as Rob and Milan have tried to sway Red on possible thoughts, I think artists won't suffer. Business obviously will change but I guess to that extent, that's what the effort to sway opinion was all about...fighting for what you believe in and hoping it can change things.

Sometimes however, I wish I could live in a Zen-like minimalistic world. All jokes aside, I think we need that calm, clear, and simple once and a while to prep for the big things that hit us in life or the battles that we choose to fight. I'm by no means the "Confrontational Type" but I do have opinions and enjoy standing up for what I believe in... Okay, getting away from what I was suppose to say.

Loved the video. Love Red. Love Apple. Love James Bond...no not literally but love trying to be like him...ha, ha. So excited about the upcoming announcements!
 
Prediction: No more Scarlets. Epic now costs what a Scarlet did.

(ducking thrown objects)

Why?

Because by now I'm sure RED has gone through all those "not quite good enough" ASICs, and I bet they have to cripple the boards themselves now to put out Scarlets. It's putting a speed regulator on a Ferrari, and has to be distasteful to Jim and Jarred.

And because it's fun to speculate on wild shit.
 
...picturing Jarred with a screwdriver in one hand, and a Scarlet board in the other, pinging chips n bits, trying to get them in the waste basket. Gotta gimp those Scarlets somehow.
 
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