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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Jim/ Jarred any chance you could also give the Dragon upgrade price for the Scarlet on the 31st / 1st Nov and the Specs too ?
It would make it easier for people to decide and start planning for their purchase.
Thanks
 
Hey Jarred,
Can you also on Nov 1st give us all some info on the Dragon Upgrade for Scarlet so we can deiced on the upgrade VS getting a epic or both etc. What the spec of dragon for Scarlet are and price. Thanks
Sean
(Great minds think alike just saw the post on top of this one ) EDIT*
 
This means the value of what we own just went down. This is very bad news. Its' already tough to amortize our Epic in our market.

This may be the last camera we ever buy.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
This means the value of what we own just went down. This is very bad news. Its' already tough to amortize our Epic in our market.

This may be the last camera we ever buy.
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Disagree that the VALUE went down. Just the price. The value is dependent on your market and its not working then sell it. Jim will be the first to tell you to make money with your cameras - we found the Scarlet
killed our rental market so we sod one our EPIC's and just now are buying one back for some winter features wanting them. Rental business changes fast and as much as I hated selling our EPICS I know I did the right thing
at the time. Im now able to buy them back cheaper.

sorry for your struggles Rob but I still think Epic is the BESR VALUE 5K Imaging camera for under $50K. Heck under $100K

EDIT: I for one hope Scarlet does NOT get Dragon as that camera has cannabalized Epic rentals in my market and it would be nice to have the competitive edge back.
 
Predicted upgrade path from Scarlet to Dragon:

1) Sell Scarlet (or keep as B cam)
2) Buy Epic at new, reduced price.
3) Pay $6K and upgrade Epic to Dragon.
 
Can't we just learn the new prices and make the price drop active on the 1st... all this speculation and people getting upset without knowing the facts and/or actual price drop.
 
This is absolutely huge news. You'd never see another camera company doing this in a million years. Thanks for the transparency.
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
Disagree that the VALUE went down. Just the price. The value is dependent on your market and its not working then sell it. Jim will be the first to tell you to make money with your cameras - we found the Scarlet
killed our rental market so we sod one our EPIC's and just now are buying one back for some winter features wanting them. Rental business changes fast and as much as I hated selling our EPICS I know I did the right thing
at the time. Im now able to buy them back cheaper.

sorry for your struggles Rob but I still think Epic is the BESR VALUE 5K Imaging camera for under $50K. Heck under $100K

EDIT: I for one hope Scarlet does NOT get Dragon as that camera has cannabalized Epic rentals in my market and it would be nice to have the competitive edge back.
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By value I mean price. We got our Epic-X camera in May, and then got it up and running in June. Yes we've rented it to or own productions and to others a few times, but we just now are starting to get the word out that we have an Epic for external rentals, and if the price goes down too much, we'll take a big loss. Too many Epics out there means we can't make a return on our investment. I will feel burned by Red of this happens - this is a $$ question - it's not about art. I can rent the camera from someone else and make the same art. The decision to buy is a purely financial one.
 
This is great news! After having our Scarlet since March, we've been trying to get some money together to buy an Epic soon. Lowering the price is definitely going to help us out!
 
wait and see whats happening...Epic wont fall off to the half of the price which is now. Maybe 6K less to generate the gap for Dragon to attack:))) i think RED will do it like i said. Make sense so price stay the same and you will buy a better camera for same price. Like Apple does...
 
This is one of the many reasons I love RED. Thanks guys. Still saving up for my first RED camera, so this definitely makes my day to hear such great news. Thanks for putting the customer first. It really does mean the world to me.
 
What red did with keeping the price of r1, had some longterm implications for the platform. Red continuing that practice is not one of them. Creating an extreme loyality amongst some of its early customerbase, like myself, is...

I must say I welcome this move.

Red has an odd position. It is in many ways a volume product offering the dream and possibility of PJ results, if you have the means to work that way with it. Means being finances and talent.

Thus. It is scaleable.
And that is what i love about it.

But to keep the prices where they do, while building factories and working on how to make the accesories atractive and right priced for different segments and with a userbase of pj and me...

Volume is the name of the game.

So far the epic price has only gone up...

Taking it down sounds like the only right choice.

The thing i am really curious about is the stage 2r1s...

And...
Where Sanjin went...
 
RayFrisby said:
Jim/ Jarred any chance you could also give the Dragon upgrade price for the Scarlet on the 31st / 1st Nov and the Specs too ?
It would make it easier for people to decide and start planning for their purchase.
Thanks
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We don't know if Scarlet can handle the dragon till the new ASICs come out of the oven... which is still months away.
 
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