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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

epics in the 1000s ???

David Battistella said:
Really mike? I'm not in Cali, but based on RUser it feels like those are the numbers.

What do you think?

Am I really that out to lunch?
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I'm afraid so. Epic-M will be quite dominate in the marketplace by the time Epic-X ships. It's unfortunate what happened in Japan. It obviously effected everyone and selling the Epic-M was an alternative for customers when there wasn't another alternative to getting the Epic-X's built. That said, there's quite a profit to be made from these M's and RED is a business first and foremost and Jim knows how to build a company. There's nothing wrong with what Jim is doing because he is still making good to his customers but you should not be blinded by the good faith and mistake that for someone willing to go broke to make you feel special. The situation is shat it is and whether you want to believe it or not, RED is a MUCH larger company now than they were 3 years ago. There's a reason for that and there is always a plan. Just remember everything is subject to change including your own perceptions versus reality.
 
David Battistella said:
I think there are like 500 max.

M is a limited run handmade thing.

They'd never ship over 1000 epic M's with so many stage 2 and 3 customers waiting for X.
Even with M available now I guess there are maybe 25 or 50 more available taking it to 550 or something.
Over 1000 doesn't make it very exclusive.
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I think the period for Epic exclusivity, whether M or X, has long since passed. There is no need for numbering in the future because they have just become tools to use, not something that sets the owner apart from the crowd. Early adopters awaiting their X cameras are no more special than someone who bought a camera in the last days of eligibility and signed up for Stage 2. We are all quickly relegated from "Ferrari" owners to your everyday run of the mill Mercedes owners. The good news is we still get the Ferrari discount on our Mercedes.

edit: MikeBurton pretty much made the same point before I posted.
 
mikeburton said:
There's a reason for that and there is always a plan. Just remember everything is subject to change including your own perceptions versus reality.
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Mike,

I never saw the 1000 M's thing Jim posted about the M's.

ANyhow. I stated earlier that I am happy to wait for teh EPIC X and the M owners stepped up now to create cashflow at this time.

Deposits were a source of cashflow to move it forward, etc.

But the impression I have been getting is that RED wishes they could ship more cameras and that they EPIC M program is "costing" them money.
LIke some parts are 2000% more expensisive, etc, granted that could be a ten cent part, that now costs 2$. or a 20$ part now costs $400. Bu it adds up quick.

David
 
There is always possibilities in multiples... ;)

RED could have not number the M cameras in continuos Serial No.'s

RED has decided to sale M cameras at a higher cost do to higher cost parts, so they did in deed sold over 1000 since people are buying them,
and there are EXPENSIVE parts available to make them.

RED has... Could... oh well, we know the drill he he.

I am happy that there are this many as RED has a tremendous pressure form all of us M user, yes even from little me (or at list I like to think so, he he)
so at the end this all goes to the benefit of the X program, all of you which have not bough an M, look at the already FREE Fan upgrade, FREE back end mounting plate.

Better cameras are build no doubt by having as many of them possible out in the hands of the PRO's, and believe me when I say there are in the hands of the Pro's and with lots of money too... ;)


So end of story... be happy, X is coming better then ever!!
 
Gunleik Groven said:
What does it matter?
If you know how to use a cam, Epic will set you apart.
If not
Epic won't make much difference

Cheers!
G
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Cachingo!

In six to ten weeks many people will have their camera's. And the M program is a great benfit to those X people.

David
 
I totally missed that.

And I am all over that thread.

Wierd.

David
 
Jeff beat me to it. I distinctly remembered Jim saying that they were over 900 Ms so far. . . and that was several days ago.

We'll be Stage 3. . . and be mighty happy when it comes out, too! I'm just glad this is a club we're able to belong to at all.

Stephen
 
Much as Reduser is the hub and focus of the Red world, I'm sure there are as many users who barely touch these forum pages as there are those who F5 their way through life on the Recon section. Add to that the multiple cameras that many productions and rental firms will have and the volume of individual M users that we see here versus the mass of M's in the market adds up fine IMHO.

Quite how I ended up being #549 at the point in time that I did is baffling, but I will assume that someone somewhere was being nice to me and question it no further :)
 
Why not sell 5000M , 5000X's & 50,000 S's, sell as many M's as people want, when demand falls off ramp up the X's when demand falls off Ramp up the S's.

David Battistella said:
Stephen,

It would be better to sell 5000 epic x than 500 epic m. If the Japan tsunami had not happened then maybe those machines would be out there. Plus the body style just changed. So the EPIC X has not even been built yet except for a short run Of pre production models (mike fireman Ross posted a photo of an EPIC X in the wild).

Stage 2 are a very loyal customer base of early adopters. Why would Red want to bypass their commitment to people who put down deposits thinking they were first up for EPIC cameras.
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Stephen Williams said:
Why not sell 5000M , 5000X's & 50,000 S's, sell as many M's as people want, when demand falls off ramp up the X's when demand falls off Ramp up the S's.
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Ha ha ha, Mr Williams you are such a provocateur.
Regards
 
Alright this is going to sound like a negative post toward RED but it really is not....For all of you waiting for an Epic X, you should be happy there are plenty of Epic Ms out there because they are working out all the bugs and limitations and REALLY improving the camera even more! In all honestly the Epic M is a great camera but it does not appear to be ready yet for everyone. There are still some basic things that are not enabled (such as playback, phantom power etc...) there are still some bugs, limitations and some "sluggishness" in the touch screen interface etc... in other words, it's still being tweaked and is not ready for a prime time mass release IMHO. Now I have no problem with this as we knew we were getting a beta camera when our Studio got en Epic M but we would have been pretty disappointed if the X shipped in the current stage that the M is in. Again I am not bashing RED. The Epic M is an awesome camera and yes you can shoot with it and do a lot of things as long as you are willing to work with a few workaround and limitations. The good news is by the time the X is shipped the camera will be a fully functional camera that you will get to enjoy and make wonderful images with it! :) (thanks to all the M testing! :thumbup1:) I know it has been a long wait (we have two X on orders ourselves!) but I think the M program did a lot of good and while I was not a big fan of the M program at first, I now understand why it was needed and I'm glad RED went through it.
 
Maz Mawlawi said:
Alright this is going to sound like a negative post toward RED but it really is not....For all of you waiting for an Epic X, you should be happy there are plenty of Epic Ms out there because they are working out all the bugs and limitations and REALLY improving the camera even more! In all honestly the Epic M is a great camera but it does not appear to be ready yet for everyone. There are still some basic things that are not enabled (such as playback, phantom power etc...) there are still some bugs, limitations and some "sluggishness" in the touch screen interface etc... in other words, it's still being tweaked and is not ready for a prime time mass release IMHO. Now I have no problem with this as we knew we were getting a beta camera when our Studio got en Epic M but we would have been pretty disappointed if the X shipped in the current stage that the M is in. Again I am not bashing RED. The Epic M is an awesome camera and yes you can shoot with it and do a lot of things as long as you are willing to work with a few workaround and limitations. The good news is by the time the X is shipped the camera will be a fully functional camera that you will get to enjoy and make wonderful images with it! :) (thanks to all the M testing! :thumbup1:) I know it has been a long wait (we have two X on orders ourselves!) but I think the M program did a lot of good and while I was not a big fan of the M program at first, I now understand why it was needed and I'm glad RED went through it.
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I guess you weren't around for the early days of the Red One. Lots of problems that were worked out over the course of a few months. Us early adopters had to deal with them and we made the camera work for us while still promoting the hell out of Red at the same time. As an X owner, I just want my X. The M-program is like the early days of the Red One. When they were shipping the Red One back in 2007, they didn't offer a Red-One-M program at a premium for those to beta test, they just shipped the Red Ones and we all dealt with the issues...
 
Maz/Rick

there are some significant differences between the R1 rollout and the Epic-M rollout

R1 was admittedly a buggy beast initially. Nothing you couldn't work around, but still needed the occational restart etc.
Epic M has so far been a rock solid experience, as long as you are concious about the voltage

The beta-testers were people like me on the R1
Sure... Steven Soderbergh shot Che
But M is solidly running a ton of high budget features
That wouldn't be the case - I guess - if there were any real stability issues involved. I have a hunch that the big studios aren't that adventorous.

Epic is a camera people have been looking foreward to
R1 was pretty much a camera forced upon DPs initially
 
I completely agree with you. I wasn't trying to say that Epic-M is/was as buggy as the early Red One. Far from it.. I've been working with the Epic all week and absolutely ZERO issues at all.

Luckily, in six months time, NONE of us will be bitching about anything. We will be out there making beautiful 5k imagery... I personally cannot wait! End of August couldn't come any sooner!!
 
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