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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Epic-W

So quick late night thought. What if Epic-W is not between any other model but either above all the other models or totally separate and in it's own field like super slow-motion. It'd make sense to put the RED tech into a Phanatom-like camera. Or is it above Weapon Dragon because of some other little sauce it has in it. Just a thought, because there doesn't seem to be room for it anywhere else, and it's definitely coming. Jarred's Facebook was a hint in my opinion.
 
I still think Introducing the Epic name to the Weapon line will just confuse people. Nor do I think there's room or need for this camera in the lineup. If you're asking for a camera better than Scarlet-W but cheaper than Mag Weapon, the camera you're really asking for is an Aluminum Weapon.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
I still think Introducing the Epic name to the Weapon line will just confuse people. Nor do I think there's room or need for this camera in the lineup. If you're asking for a camera better than Scarlet-W but cheaper than Mag Weapon, the camera you're really asking for is an Aluminum Weapon.
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Agree, but I can't see what the specs would be if they're supposed to be financially acceptable and be better than the Scarlet-W but not as good as the Weapon 6K. Would it be a 6K 60fps max Aluminum? I cannot see how it would fit. The Scarlet-W is enough for people, gett "a little" more will not make the work any better and if there's a customer base that demand "a little better" than the Scarlet-W then those are probably high paying high demanding customers and that customer base would probably earn you back what you put out for a Weapon 6K.

A question I'm interested in would be... what would the "Epic-W" do that you can't do with the Scarlet-W but would be enough not to justify getting a Weapon 6K? In my opinion I really don't see the point of such a camera and I would really like to know why people would need more than the Scarlet-W without going Weapon 6K. Feels like people want more and more and more but don't want to pay enough. If so, it doesn't matter what the Epic-W will be, it will still disappoint with a "why is it so expensive??" and we will have another Raven / Scarlet-W thing going.
 
My guess would be still the same sensor as mx, but moved over to the new weapon body. Some extra goodies from some new processing. Compatible with the new DSMC2 accesories. Cable free=). A reasonable price to move over to DSMC2.
 
After seeing the less expensive aluminum 7" monitor being essentially the same as the previous one of a different material, I think any new model will simply be a slightly less expensive aluminum camera with approximately the same specs as the Weapon Mg. The release date is a little further out to give the Mg owners time to maximize their camera properties financially before letting others afford the same specs.
 
Joel Arvidsson said:
My guess would be still the same sensor as mx, but moved over to the new weapon body. Some extra goodies from some new processing. Compatible with the new DSMC2 accesories. Cable free=). A reasonable price to move over to DSMC2.
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You mean a MX Weapon? I don't think that will happen, it's not really a good public image to take a color criticized older sensor and put it into current infrastructure.
 
I still feel like it'll be a different beast or SOMEHOW above all the others. It's totally speculation as there are some different way's this could go like slo-motion, infrared, monochrome, etc. RED is smarter than to stuff it between MG and Scarlet-W.
 
New Epic should be introduced with a new sensor I think...they did it with the dragon so why not? Epic-X, Epic dragon, Epic W... hmmmm
 
Aaron michaels said:
New Epic should be introduced with a new sensor I think...they did it with the dragon so why not? Epic-X, Epic dragon, Epic W... hmmmm
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Definitely a possibility. DSMC2 body with new sensor and keep the Epic name for the best camera. New sensor with cleaner high ISOs and some different color science and beefier frame rates.
 
Levi Arnold said:
I still feel like it'll be a different beast or SOMEHOW above all the others. It's totally speculation as there are some different way's this could go like slo-motion, infrared, monochrome, etc. RED is smarter than to stuff it between MG and Scarlet-W.
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I think your prediction is right. A much bigger badder camera than Weapon CF. But probably wont see it for another year or 2 at least.
 
Brody_B said:
I think your prediction is right. A much bigger badder camera than Weapon CF. But probably wont see it for another year or 2 at least.
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It would keep the Epic name at the top of the list which would seem right. Maybe badder because of a newer sensor with all around higher 6K specs?
 
Levi Arnold said:
Definitely a possibility. DSMC2 body with new sensor and keep the Epic name for the best camera. New sensor with cleaner high ISOs and some different color science and beefier frame rates.
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And shoots 500fps HDRx @ 8k 2:1 compression, and only weighs 1.5 pounds, and does you laundry.. Wait. Sorry go a little sidetracked, but hey a man can dream.

:smiley:
 
Brody_B said:
yep. but I think their dropping it with 8k only, just to separate it from the rest even more
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Possibly. RED hasn't said, unless I missed it, that their 8K sensor is or is not Dragon material. I assume it is. I would think that they might only drop in 8K, but more likely a new 6K sensor - wouldn't the Weapon CF people feel slighted if people were able to go straight from Epic Dragon to Epic-W 8K? If it's 8K only, it'll definitely be a MASSIVE leap in tech and my bank account.
 
Levi Arnold said:
Possibly. RED hasn't said, unless I missed it, that their 8K sensor is or is not Dragon material. I assume it is. I would think that they might only drop in 8K, but more likely a new 6K sensor - wouldn't the Weapon CF people feel slighted if people were able to go straight from Epic Dragon to Epic-W 8K? If it's 8K only, it'll definitely be a MASSIVE leap in tech and my bank account.
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True. Id expect a huge price tag for the upgrade too.
 
I'm pretty sure the Epic-W is going to be a lower speced 8k weapon camera. It'll be like the Scarlet MX was to the Epic MX.

If you want to shoot 8k, but can't afford to do it at a 5:1 compression or at 75fps, then the Epic-W will be the camera for you.
 
Marcus Friedlander said:
I'm pretty sure the Epic-W is going to be a lower speced 8k weapon camera. It'll be like the Scarlet MX was to the Epic MX.

If you want to shoot 8k, but can't afford to do it at a 5:1 compression or at 75fps, then the Epic-W will be the camera for you.
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Wouldn't make sense if it's around the same price as a Weapon 6K CF. What would be the reason to get the Weapon 6K CF in that case if for the same price you get an 8K. To be able to get the processor speeds for 8K you still need something similar to the Weapon 6K CF, so the cost would be the same and it's still an 8K sensor, which are expensive to manufacture.
 
I don't know why you think it'll be the same price? Almost certainly it won't.

I can absolutely see a gap in the weapon line that can be filled by an 8k30p camera. It will almost certainly be more expensive than the 6kCF but cheaper than 8kCF.
 
Some of these suggestions don't make sense given the brief statement from Jarred about "MX owners" being left behind. Nobody who skipped Dragon and now Weapon is going to now choose a costly 8k upgrade path. If there is another MX path it will be aimed at keeping MX owners in the RED stable. I don't see Epic MX owners trading to anything Scarlet or anything that costs more than the original Dragon upgrade.

Given that NAB has come and gone without the strongly hinted at MX announcement, I'm guessing that RED responded to a lot of kicking and screaming from Raven and Weapon buyers who felt burned and has either delayed or killed this program. I do think RED would be wise to keep as many owners in the ecosystem as possible though. I stayed on MX partly because I wanted to see what else was out there before (re) committing to RED in such a costly manner. I suspect others are in the same boat.
 
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