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EPIC-S (old Scarlet S35) update...

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I know many of you are waiting to hear what is happening on the EPIC-S front. While I still don't have final details from the engineers, here is what we know now.

1. We have moved from the less robust Scarlet S35 chassis to the EPIC S35 chassis (like going from the economy car frame to the truck frame). Pro, not prosumer.

2. We are trying to maximize the performance specs given the cost cutting from the hardware, including board reductions. This is no small task but is a primary focus within engineering.

3. Frame rates and data rates in combination with project sizes will be the primary compromises in comparison with the big brothers (EPIC-X and EPIC-M). You can anticipate about 1/2 the overall data throughput. As soon as the engineers finalize the list... I will post it.

4. HDRx will be included, but with limited frame rate options as is anticipated in #3 above.

5. Price has risen due to the chassis and HDRx change/additions. Expect somewhere in the neighborhood of $12K. Package prices will be posted as soon as we are sure what they will be. We will not post another "interim" price structure in the meantime. Next price posting will be final.

6. EPIC-S will use the same production line as its big brothers (which we are setting up now in California) so there will be no additional delays to produce this model. However, the EPIC-M and EPIC-X models will be released 1st as has previously been noted.

7. EPIC-Ms are currently being produced in low quantities and will step up just a bit this month (January). Production EPIC-X is scheduled to begin small production end of February with a fairly significant ramp up in March. Major volume begins in April. Many of you will have your EPIC-X by NAB. EPIC-S should begin production in May... depending on EPIC-X orders.

We are now pretty comfortable with these schedules, but you know how things are. Read my tagline. I will say that our team has finally turned the corner at hitting their marks.

Given the competitive landscape, we think that the EPIC-S will have no price/performance competition. Think 5K, REDCODE RAW, HDRx, record to SSD, modular system, size of a Hasselblad with many mature professional workflow options.

Jim
 
Fantastic news and thank you for your clarity Jim and Happy New Year.
 
wow, dont know what is better.
epic s details or that we should have epic X by NAB!
now competition should shit into their pants.
what i read here is that a 12k epic will render an alexa obsolete. (my opinion based on my history with red products and productions in the past and present--- doesnt get less for the future i suppose!)

edit:
question of the day.
will the sanjin go finally crazy with this news and start shooting an expressionistic quick and dirty auteur film in summer?
 
Awesome. 12K for s35 HDR, not bad at all
 
Thanks for the update Jim! Do you think EpicX #27 could be a Feb thing? :-)
 
Happy New Year, Jim. :beer:

Since production of the Epic-S will begin after all Epic-X orders have been filled, will Stage 3 (and 3.5) reservations be taken soon?
 
Many thanks for the update.
If I had the money I will go for it with eyes closed !

Little question anyway : will it hace abalities to shoot at lower resolution, and if yes, is the frame rate higher ? (like if for the Epic-S maximum 5K frame rate is 30 fps, will it be possible to get 120fps at 3K)
 
I have mixed feelings about $12k. It sounds like EpicS has become something that 90% of professional productions would be able to use instead of an EpicX and yet it's less than half the cost of an EpicX. Am I wrong on that? Will EpicS cannibalize the sales and rentals of EpicX?
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I have mixed feelings about $12k. It sounds like EpicS has become something that 90% of professional productions would be able to use instead of an EpicX and yet it's less than half the cost of an EpicX. Am I wrong on that? Will EpicS cannibalize the sales and rentals of EpicX?
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Shawn... better reserve your fear until you see the specs. Additionally, EPIC-X will have several months head start. Not to worry. Once you have shot 5K at 96fps (or 2.35:1 at 120fps), it is hard to go back.

Jim
 
Excellent Jim thanks for laying out a timeline. This helps a lot with planning.
It is also pretty much the schedule I have anticipated since last summer.
 
Jannard said:
Shawn... better reserve your fear until you see the specs. Additionally, EPIC-X will have several months head start. Not to worry. Once you have shot 5K at 96fps (or 2.35:1 at 120fps), it is hard to go back.

Jim
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Okay cool, thanks! I just got to recoup my EpicX so I can come back and get an EpicS as a Bcam :-)
 
Will there be an option to place a deposit anytime soon or would we need to wait until enough epic-x is out the door?
 
Either way you cut it:

Epic X or Epic S - you are getting an unprecedented amount of Power for an unprecedented Price. The price differential is not that big - if you are shooting a Hollywood blockbuster film you will most likely want to select an Epic X. If you are shooting an indie you could shoot with a Red One MX, an Epic S, an Epic X if its available to you, or maybe a Scarlet, or whatever you can manage to get your hands on.

Shawn, Most Producers probably don't know enough about the technical side of filmmaking to make the decision for you what you are shooting on - more and more think they do, but they really don't.

It's the Job of the Technical and Artistic people making a film to educate (or in many cases Reducate) the Business people so they understand what is needed to accomplish a project in the best possible way.

A Cinematographer or Digital Imaging Technician is instrumental in convincing a producer that how an image is acquired makes a big difference - both in image quality, and in the chain of post production and distribution after the image is captured.

Now - your job as an owner/operator or cinematographer is to convince producers that ~WHAT YOU HAVE~ is ~WHAT THEY NEED~ in order to get the job done Right!

:)
 
I have mixed feelings about $12k. It sounds like EpicS has become something that 90% of professional productions would be able to use instead of an EpicX and yet it's less than half the cost of an EpicX. Am I wrong on that? Will EpicS cannibalize the sales and rentals of EpicX?
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Where it will make huge changes is the mid range corporate and lower end TV markets, it will be cheaper than the Sony F3 and far far better, this is not taking market share away from the Epic X, but will add so much to RED's coverage of the industry.

As an example l don't fit that market for a Epic X but the Epic S is on the money. Its a game changer for a huge section of the industry out side of movies.
 
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