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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EPIC and 720p output via HDSDI

Adam Eden said:
Again I say. 1080 50i is the international standard for television. not 25p.

No point arguing with me.. Thats how it is
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Since when was Epic a TV camera?
 
99.9999999% of what i do ends up on television..

Need i say more?

And................ 90% of the 99.99999999999% still ends up belng delivered to the tv stations on digital betacam!
 
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Gunleik Groven said:
LOL

Thought the discussion was on monitoringpath, not on end-product... :)
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Well film cameras managed to co exist for the last 30 years, lateral thinking is sometimes required!
 
Stephen Williams said:
Well film cameras managed to co exist for the last 30 years, lateral thinking is sometimes required!
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Good point, and actually one well received...

the userbase for the RED cameras is bigger than those intimate with filmcameras, though...
I try to tell photographers to think of the preview as a videotap.

Some get relieved by that analogy
Others get really scared....

And on the Epic, it is less destructive to rely on the video signal than on most R1/Alexa.
I have a hunch as to why, but that's not as important.

Point is:
Epic will have to accomodate both film- and video users and uses...

Anyhow
I'll get out of this, as we basically agree...

And making old wireless sets work, is only of good as far as I can see, so I agree with Adam, too

I def don't want the Epic to record psf.
It would not make life harder if a psf signal was available over sdi

Gee

I agree with both of you... :)
 
Hey i am happy to record in 25P and NOT PSF, but the TV world is interlaced and alway will be.

Every time i deliver a TVC or TV program it is always either 25i or 1080 50i. Even though the source material could be 25p. I just wish RED would enable a 25Psf preview out of the HDSDI and then they would maximise compatibility between machinery.

There is no right or wrong in this discussion...... I am just relaying the facts.

Also no one would want to watch sport in 25P as the motion is shithouse. That is the main reason TV will always be interlaced.
 
Adam Eden said:
Also no one would want to watch sport in 25P as the motion is shithouse. That is the main reason TV will always be interlaced.
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Plenty of feature films have involved sport, never been a problem. IMHO 50p would be a better solution for sport in TV, interlace has no place in the 21st Century
 
I want interlace to go away forever and never reveal it's ugly head again.

A FRAME IS A FRAME IS A FRAME.

Stop this two fileds shit to make a frame. It's just dumb.

David
 
We will only loose this nonsense when more companies stop supporting compression that was required in 1950. It's a very smart move of Red, go forward & forget the past. Why fields even graduated to HD is beyond me.

David Battistella said:
I want interlace to go away forever and never reveal it's ugly head again.

A FRAME IS A FRAME IS A FRAME.

Stop this two fileds shit to make a frame. It's just dumb.

David
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David Battistella said:
I want interlace to go away forever and never reveal it's ugly head again.

A FRAME IS A FRAME IS A FRAME.

Stop this two fileds shit to make a frame. It's just dumb.

David
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Could not agree more. I don't really have anything to add to this, I just feel incredibly strongly about it and wanted to voice my support. :)

Kaku Ito said:
I'm thinking to use Sound Device PIX240 but does anyone know if it does live output/conversion?
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This should work just fine, Kaku... I have bought one (they're still on backorder everywhere), but this is one of my intended uses for it when it arrives.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Plenty of feature films have involved sport, never been a problem. IMHO 50p would be a better solution for sport in TV, interlace has no place in the 21st Century
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Try and watch 90 minutes of a football match at 25p and see if you don't get a headache.

That is why 720,50p was invented.. Unfortunately in Australia 720 50p never took off.
 
Adam Eden said:
Try and watch 90 minutes of a football match at 25p and see if you don't get a headache.
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I would be bored after 5 minutes, however it sounds like watching a 3D movie, when you can't see in 3D!
 
We tested the Epic-M's 720p out yesterday with the Panasonic field recorder at 720/59.94 mode and sorry to say that Epic-M's 720/59.94p didn't work.
 
Kaku Ito said:
We tested the Epic-M's 720p out yesterday with the Panasonic field recorder at 720/59.94 mode and sorry to say that Epic-M's 720/59.94p didn't work.
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There is a bug in the current firmware. While you can output at 720p it is limited to 29.97 no matter what you select under refresh rate. So, while you may have 720p59.94 selected, it is actually outputting at 720p29.97. My guess is this will be addressed in the next build.
 
Can't wait for this next build, as we really need to use our CamWave. Actually the CamWave supports both 1080p/29.97 and 1080p/23.98, I really don't see why they couldn't have provided support for 1080p/25 ??
 
EPIC has a 720p output option now? Where do I go in the menu to set that? I have a Panasonic 7.9" Monitor that can only work with 720p on progressive output. Anybody know how to make it work?
 
Albert C Martin said:
There is a bug in the current firmware. While you can output at 720p it is limited to 29.97 no matter what you select under refresh rate. So, while you may have 720p59.94 selected, it is actually outputting at 720p29.97. My guess is this will be addressed in the next build.
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Thanks Albert,

I'm glad it is a bug instead of being the specification.
 
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