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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EPIC 3D...

just plain awesome. this looks miles ahead of anything else out there for high resolution 3D acquisition..

very exciting times..
 
Thanks for the weight estimate. 45lbs is nothing for 5k 3D RAW!!!

And using the RED VOLT batteries instead of the RED BRICKs you'd get at least a few pounds lighter.

I bet the smaller ET rig will be lighter yet. ;D
 
GTFOOH! = Get The Fuck Out of Here!

Good things come to those who wait.

45lbs is silly light. The Quasar requires an OConnor EX120 and tips the scales at 3X Epic 3D
 
I'm liking this... Looks awesome mate.

Would this type of rig still be on track?
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Cheers, Nathan.
 
Two 5K images in stereo is quite something. Looks great. Can't wait for a blockbuster shot on Epic 3D to hit IMAX 3D!
 
This is unreal, 5K-3D for less than Alexa 1080P Pro-res which is what 97% of what people will use that camera for. There seems to be Alexa euphoria right now and I don't understand it at all. Alexa will be a good replacement for the F35 but it does not match up with a Red One MX let alone an Epic. What Red is doing is really unbelievable. The competition is only showcasing how advanced Red is.
 
Todd M. said:
I'm no expert but I have a feeling there are times when the sensors need to be closer together than the body and lenses allow.

And bump to the first question.
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Would you think that the distance between the centre of the lenses on the RED concept image (thats where its from) is significantly greater than 70mm/2.75"? That's the measurement between pupils of the eye amongst 95% of the adult male US population.

Jarred - if you are around, perhaps you can advise on this one. Why the mirror / shoot-thru mirror system vs sitting EPIC's beside one another?

Cheers, Nathan.
 
But with such a compact beam splitter rig why even bother to look into shedding the mirror?

That thing is light, and compact. I'd throw it on a steady and run full speed down the steps of a court house chasing after the action... myself!!
Of course it would be better to leave it to the skilled hands of a pro steady op, but I wouldn't shy away from it!!!
 
Nathan_Rodger said:
Would you think that the distance between the centre of the lenses on the RED concept image (thats where its from) is significantly greater than 70mm/2.75"? That's the measurement between pupils of the eye amongst 95% of the adult male US population.

Jarred - if you are around, perhaps you can advise on this one. Why the mirror / shoot-thru mirror system vs sitting EPIC's beside one another?

Cheers, Nathan.
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I hope you don't mind if I take this one...

Interocular distance is critically important to 3D. The closer the subject, the closer the IO needs to be... the converse is true.

Two side by side cameras with an IO (Interocular) of 3" is only good from roughly 15-20' and beyond. Prism rigs are invaluable because they can go from 0-whatever IO. That means that to shoot anything from extremely close to distance needs a prism rig. The downside is that there is a stop loss in light. Good thing for M-X and EPIC because you have high ISO to compensate.

Shoot 2D and worry about focus. Shoot 3D and worry about IO, convergence and focus. Both the ET and 3ality rigs do a great job of letting you know where you are to avoid the "throw up circle".

Jim
 
Nathan_Rodger said:
Would you think that the distance between the centre of the lenses on the RED concept image (thats where its from) is significantly greater than 70mm/2.75"? That's the measurement between pupils of the eye amongst 95% of the adult male US population.

Jarred - if you are around, perhaps you can advise on this one. Why the mirror / shoot-thru mirror system vs sitting EPIC's beside one another?

Cheers, Nathan.
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Two Epics side by side sporting those lenses shown would yield a much larger base than 2.5 inches...
That being said, at Red day I got to measure the width of the body which came in at almost 4". (without side card reader) Seems like your minimum base is gonna be at least that, but really depends on the width of the lenses used and if there's anything else that might protrude out the side when final designs are complete on some of the accessories coming.

...still curious about those lenses... :)
 
Beautiful configuration. Not to mention the size of the cameras capturing the SIZE of the image. The new builds of RED posting software and Rocket support are worthy support of this monster. Wow.... super cool.
 
Jarred Land said:
We had alot of fun today.. .

Complete Rig Weight with dual red bricks on board to power everything was just over 45 pounds.
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Its amazing how much has progressed since last November. Rigs in a matter of months went from the RED/Quasars 100-to-75-50lbs. That's what I'm talking about! Thanks Mark for the feedback on the test phase of this neutron/pulsar set-up. Those guys at ET have got it together for what the "working" man needs. Followed up with Dual-Epics its a slam dunk.

What kind of software are we looking at to accomplish 3D on Epic. I've worked with the ET rigs should I expect a similar system? Motorized, IOD Controller, bring my own Gen10 etc?

Looking forward to seeing more.....
 
Jim -
Don't mind you taking that one at all. Appreciate the detailed explanation, as I was wondering the reasons behind it, and was concerned about the stop-loss. The ISO and advantages out weigh my queried concerns.

Oh and avoiding the "throw-up circle" is always a good thing. :) Thanks again mate.

Cheers, Nathan.
 
creative interocular

creative interocular

As a stereographer, there are other variables to take into account, than simply wanting to go with a mirror rig. ( I call them Hernia Rigs).

1) Are you actually shooting scenes so close up where you need a shoulder mounted mirror rig to follow the action and interocular of less then 3 - 4 inches? (have you considered the ill effects of stereo 3d on the audiences i.e the Blair witch "throw-up" effect? of prancing around and shooting subjects in 3D so up-close.)

2) There *used* to a stereo rule of thumb (in stereo photography) of 1/30th. i.e 1 inch interaxial = 30 inches nearest object. This may or may not be followed right now, but it was a safe rule and if applied a 4 inch i/a = 120 inches or 10feet to nearest object.

3) with that in mind don't forget that with shooting with such high quality sensors and resolution, you could resolve features on a persons face quite clearly.

4) In addition to the above there is one important thing that Cinematographers have not fully understood yet
Spatial Resolution : 3D movies record spatial information of a scene. this is like rocket fuel for the brain when absorbing depth, detail... in a scene.

5)Tools like Mystika, Nuke etc, can recreate/re-compute new interaxials very effectively (based on the effectiveness of scene, correct) but if you really need such closeups of less that 6 feet and you are not shooting miniatures, or insects, most of your footage will anyways be post-processed with further H.I.T (horizontal image translation) and other tweaking being applied.

6) Consider the right tool for the right job. A lightweight parallel Si2K mini rig (ok ok I know this is a red forum) or when the scarlet comes out a lightweight parallel scarlet rig will be better, more maneuverable and for *shoulder mounted* or hand-held work, than a mirror rig. The right tool for the right job.

7) And this is without going into mirror polarization issues, dust, opposite rolling shutters, light loss compensation... with mirror rigs.

all in all, use a mirror rig if really needed on extreme closeups, if it's miniatures, insects etc being shot. In a typical movie (3D) how many shots can you recall where they have extreme closeups of a human without then violating other things like stereo windows etc?

...some food for thought....
www.realvision.ae/blog


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Just to be politically correct

i/a or interaxial = when speaking of cameras
i/o or interocular = when speaking of eyes.
 
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Jannard said:
I hope you don't mind if I take this one...

Interocular distance is critically important to 3D. The closer the subject, the closer the IO needs to be... the converse is true.

Two side by side cameras with an IO (Interocular) of 3" is only good from roughly 15-20' and beyond. Prism rigs are invaluable because they can go from 0-whatever IO. That means that to shoot anything from extremely close to distance needs a prism rig. The downside is that there is a stop loss in light. Good thing for M-X and EPIC because you have high ISO to compensate.

Shoot 2D and worry about focus. Shoot 3D and worry about IO, convergence and focus. Both the ET and 3ality rigs do a great job of letting you know where you are to avoid the "throw up circle".]
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Thanks for chiming in Jim. I hope you are feeling better. The question is, seems to be is the id 3" the minimum IO stripped down. Obviously a prism would work better closer. Everyones eyes are closer than that.
Also how goes the "bug" program?​
 
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Nice......you guys are great at getting our mouths watering....
 
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