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[Jannard]

If I were Canon, I would be petrified at the prospect of someone actually moving the camera during motion capture... even at 30fps.

Jim

 

[redluser]

If I were Canon, I would be petrified at the prospect of someone actually moving the camera during motion capture.

Jim

If I were Canon, I would be petrified. Period.

 

[Jannard]

If I were Canon, I would be petrified. Period.

Welcome... what the hell are you doing up so late?

Jim

 

[Sindre Saebo]

Merging DSMC and Scarlet?

Merging DSMC and Scarlet?

So much activity on this forum, forgive me if someone already asked this: Does the announcement over at Scarletuser imply that DSMC and Scarlet will be merged into one camera?

Sindre Saebo
Oslo, Norway

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

If I were Canon, I would be petrified at the prospect of someone actually moving the camera during motion capture... even at 30fps.

Jim

Yes Jim,

we all with you here because we know that you are a holder of "Magic Sword" knowledge that makes DSLR CMOS sensor so "cinematic" :sorcerer: .

 

[dalen johnson]

MKII is a very low priced, pocket sized, ...

I have some pretty big pockets, literally, and it wont fit in mine...so not sure what kind of pockets you have to pop camera and lens into.

Peace

dAlen

p.s.
Only mention the above, because unlike the Mark II you would have been able to put the scarlet (Lens and all) in your pocket.
(At least thats what a pocket camera means to me...again, those big baggy types.)

 

[pango]

Oranges and Apples

Oranges and Apples

Canon 5DMkII cannot swap more types of lenses than me with IMS on my RED.

And you will be able to use all glass that works on EPIC on RED ONE as well, but not the other way around. That does not make RED ONE the better camera, does it?

 

[Jannard]

And you will be able to use all glass that works on EPIC on RED ONE as well, but not the other way around. That does not make RED ONE the better camera, does it?

All glass that works with the RED ONE will work with Epic... and visa-versa.

Jim

 

[redluser]

Welcome... what the hell are you doing up so late?

Jim

I've been watching, reading and listening for a long time. I believe that there are many great products on the market, but there is no company, no visionary like Red. I have read a lot of inaccurate posts on this thread, almost too many to count, by new members. They regard who makes what and the level of expertise some companies have. I think many would be surprised how disconnected many of these diverse companies are. Your conviction, your passion and your commitment are inspiring. I can't wait to see what Red will do. I can't go to sleep thinking I might miss something.

 

[Jannard]

MKII is a DSLR. It also records short videos to go with it. That will be great for ordinary everyday comsumer use and for News folks. It is fantastic for intended purpose.

RED is a movie camera. It should be compared with other movie cameras. Fair comparison: RED vs Phantom 65.

Daniel... I don't mean to give you a bad time. I'm sorry if it comes off that way. I know what it takes to make a digital motion capture camera. The problem with the CMOS DSLRs is the very slow read-reset times. We want to believe that they can (and should) do anything. But the truth of the matter is that slow read-reset times make for terrible video. Everyone assumed that the Nikon would be great. It isn't. The skew is horrific. No one has really seen what the Canon can do except "friends of Canon". If you lock down the camera on a tripod and don't pan very fast, the images can be great. Except... 30P is not useful for pro motion. The compression scheme is consumer. And no one wants to have to lock their camera down for good images. Forget the fact the ramping, slow-motion, and a myriad of other options are not available. I own every pro camera that Nikon and Canon have ever made. I think the Canon 1Ds MKIII still images are incredibly good. But motion is a different animal. You just cannot (as Nikon has proven) use a still CMOS sensor for motion.

I am sure they will improve. But we also have a program about to be announced that will be very compelling for stills and motion without excuses.

Jim

 

[pango]

all glass is not equal

all glass is not equal

All glass that works with the RED ONE will work with Epic... and visa-versa.

Jim

From a mechanical point of view, of course. Optically, you will not be able to optimize the sensor for all the optics people might try to put in front of it.

Not that the discussion is very important ... AFAIK, the importance of optics is at the same time the most underestimated and the most overestimated aspect of photography. If I understand correctly, Leica opted against a 36x24 sensor for the M8 not so much because of the cost, but because the M-lens design, although great for film, would cause problems in the corners. At least that is what they say, there is no camera available for trying it out. Maybe EPIC will be the first one and maybe some people will find vignetting of certain optics charming.

 

[Jason Wingrove]

I have now just this week sold off my DSLRS, (a D200 & D70) as was time to update my cameras while they were still worth something but as to what to replace them with...D90.. pah, D5mkIi..nah with all the new announcements there's simply too many interesting things in the wind to make any decisions just yet so...

i'm now officially and happily 'Standing by'....I think ill sit on this one for bit.

Bring on the revolution, and thanks Jim for leading the charge

Jas

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[Gunleik Groven]

So much activity on this forum, forgive me if someone already asked this: Does the announcement over at Scarletuser imply that DSMC and Scarlet will be merged into one camera?

Sindre Saebo
Oslo, Norway

Morn Sindre!!!

Yup

 

[kunal2]

sorry to tell you that,but Canon images are too plastic feel and flat compare to Nikon which has got more texture and depth,I use a 40D for fashion shoot, recently got a Nikon D300 to test,I was blown away by the image quality it produced,on my canon i always have to add slight grain to get textured...I wish to be prove wrong:sad: pictures i do on 40D here http://www.flickr.com/photos/7645949@N08/

Sorry, but all Canon DSLRs have sensors made by Canon, which is why I prefer Canon DSLRs over Sony and Nikon DSLRs.

The Canon sensors simply provide better image quality at BASE ISO (I don't care about all this high ISO/low noise nonsense), with finer details, while every Sony sensor in Nikon and Sony DSLRs I've seen somehow manages to smudge fine details a bit too much.

Canon sensors are far superior, and the challenge for RED's DSMC is to have a sensor that matches the characteristics of the Canon sensor.

 

[pango]

use RAW

use RAW

sorry to tell you that,but Canon images are too plastic feel and flat compare to Nikon which has got more texture and depth ...

if you don't like the styling Canon gives you, use a RAW workflow. If what you say holds for your RAW workflow, consider using a different RAW converter.

I recently reviewed images I had produced 3 years ago. In the meantime, there was some progress in RAW converters and I change them. It is amazing what is in the RAW, the difficulty is getting it out. The sensors are great.

Of course, for video this won't be possible and one will be obliged to understand Canon's "picture styles", something I had hoped to avoid in this life :sad:

 

[kunal2]

for u're kind info I shoot only on Raw and have tried many raw converters,Canon image style will remain the same whatever software u use ,the same for other brand...I always thought that canon was the best,but now this thinking has changed after recently viewing images Nikon produce,suddenly i felt have missed a lot...am not saying that canon images are not good,but u need a lot of tweaking to take the maximum out of it,whereas Nikon has more texture and depth ,to achieve the same thing on Canon had to add grain to cut that artificial look,

if you don't like the styling Canon gives you, use a RAW workflow. If what you say holds for your RAW workflow, consider using a different RAW converter.

I recently reviewed images I had produced 3 years ago. In the meantime, there was some progress in RAW converters and I change them. It is amazing what is in the RAW, the difficulty is getting it out. The sensors are great.

Of course, for video this won't be possible and one will be obliged to understand Canon's "picture styles", something I had hoped to avoid in this life :sad:

 

[kunal2]

Let's ask the question to Jim,which one do u prefer, Nikon's image or Canon...

 

[JorgeDeSilva]

Let's ask the question to Jim,which one do u prefer, Nikon's image or Canon...

I just Use Pentax & Nikon... i don't like canon in every aspect... Nikon as much better grip, just like Pentax new Dslr... the buttons it's on the right place, etc... and i feel that canon pictures direct from camera it's not so "real"... but, thats just me...

 

[zak forrest]

A quote from Vincent Laforet's blog:

"A top commercial film editor who who regularly edits RED camera footage -

and has seen the raw footage from the 5D MKII -

says the 5D MKII is “far superior to the RED camera” in terms of low light performance…"


LINK>>>

I wouldn't say that.

Two days ago I just tested Leica Noctilux 50mm f/1.0 on RED with IMS and

would say that Canon 5D MkII with Canon 50mm f/1.2 L lens never can beat RED with Noctilux.

RED just needs a lens that is fast like a Leica Noctilux and nobody can compete with that in all industry.

It's not about a camera it's about a lens when we are talking about available light shooting.

RED Mysterium has enough DR and latitude for a Noctilux type of lenses.

I don't think people will be pining for a Noctilux much longer with the new sensors Red will unleash.. Unless it's strictly for aesthetic / bokeh reasons.

I shot a scene in a feature shot with two candles at f1.3 a couple nights ago and I was blown away.

 

[Buck Forester]

I'm really excited about Scarlet. I'm also a Canon still shooter (I have the 5D), so I'm reeeeally curious about this new hd video option on the new 5D. My video camera as of now is the Sony EX1 (which I absolutely love). I hear lots of references about "no 24p", like it's a deal killer. Well, maybe so for the 'cinema' market, but personally I do not like 24p. I much prefer the look of 30p, and I don't think I'm alone. Even with Scarlet I'd shoot 30p, not 24. I'm shooting documentaries and wilderness adventure stuff, not fictional movies. For non-fiction I think 30p looks much better and I think the majority of people shooting a Canon 5D Mark II want to be able to document their experience in high-def while in nature or sporting events or news. I doubt the Mark II would be ideal for fast sports, but I don't find 24p typically pleasing for fast sports either. But that's just me. So for the market that Canon will be going after, I don't think the "what, no 24p?" is a big consideration.

I'll be honest, as much as I dig RED and have planned to go RED, if the Mark II's video does well in the categories I mentioned, it may be the route I go. I could combine my wilderness photography with wilderness adventure videography in one lightweight unit I can carry in my backpack or mount on my kayak deck just like I've done with photography. Times are gettin' exciting! I'd be upset that I just plinked down some serious $$ for my Sony EX1 and related gear if I didn't love it so much.

I can't wait for RED to get up and running with this stuff instead of just hearing about it. This DSMC thing sounds amazing, but in the meantime I need gear. If Scarlet was out, it would've got my $$ instead of the EX1, and if the DSMC was coming out to compete with 5D Mark II, it'd probably have my $$ too instead of Canon. Once RED gets product in the marketplace and works everything out and can keep production up with demand, I'm sure they'll get my bidness. It's genious marketing to hype product long before they hit the market, but the competition does the opposite, mums the word until it's released. But... some of us need 'released' product.