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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DSMC Camera Firmware release 5.1.55 and 5.2.21 beta

Jarred Land said:
New camera builds today.. enjoy

Also the new RCX with Dragon Enhanced Blacks ( Graeme Magic ) has gone out to our closest testers today.. shouldn't be much longer for a public beta.


Release:


* Fix player not displaying correct redcode
* Fix incorrect selection when Rear and Side batteries present
* Fix Dragon exposure change lockout during record
* Dragon stability update


EPIC DRAGON - https://www.red.com/downloads/52b4914517ef02624c000017
SCARLET DRAGON - https://www.red.com/downloads/538b61b52f74a95b28001816
EPIC - https://www.red.com/downloads/4f56854e6261f95a5700069b
SCARLET - https://www.red.com/downloads/4f56854e6261f95a570006ca


Beta:


* Added Dragon 6:5 aspect ratio
* Added Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX II support
* Fix incorrect REDcode displayed in playback
* Fix import of RMD file containing DragonColor and REDgamma4
* Fix extended time to save log
* Fix SMPTE test pattern RGB values
* Fix Gyro Calibration hang
* Fix loss of Nikon Iris control after format change
* Fix incorrect selection when Rear and Side batteries present
* Fix Dragon expsoure change lockout during recording
* Fix incorrect feature labels in the audio dialog
* Dragon max frame rate increase (refer to OPS Guide)
* Dragon stability update


EPIC DRAGON - https://www.red.com/downloads/5231f48d17ef026cdf0002e4
SCARLET DRAGON - https://www.red.com/downloads/538b5a572f74a93526004422
EPIC - https://www.red.com/downloads/50d4b905a48c372a96001721
SCARLET - https://www.red.com/downloads/4f8c3e5f2f74a94ac2000419
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I'd love to check out the RCX Beta.
 
Daniel Stilling said:
So, to put it in very simple terms, this is basically working as a noise reduction piece of software to be used in post. Is that a correct assesement?
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Seems so...
so there won't be a firmware fix to get rid of the red noise at the time of capture?
This is the official fix?
 
also curious about this, did somthing change incamera also? What if i would want to record direct to prores with an external recorder, would i have the same amount of noise?
And also when can we expect a release version with dragoncolor and redgamma4?

To be honest, it's great there is DEB now. But it's getting too complicated with DEB, ADD, and all kinds of stuff people have to learn about. My clients who render stuff hardly understand redcine, the less options the easier for them.
I think it would be better to not even mention DEB, and integrate it in the firmware updates and rcx (and maybe make it a small menu preferences option to turn off) Just to keep stuff simple :)
 
Jarred Land said:
Graeme took the red channel code and put it in RCX... much better that way... as it remains upgradable over time and works with existing footage already shot with Dragon and the new OLPF. The power of RAW.
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i guess will be available on SDK as well ?

also, will be ON by default or as an option to be turned ON/OFF ? (wondering because of the Phil post (that mention ON or OFF , rather than OLD/NEW RCX )

thanks
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This is a nice option, thanks for the hard work.

I do agree with the point of keeping things simple, however. I'd be interested in learning what the practical reasons would be for disabling Dragon Enhanced Blacks?
 
I'm not sure when 1.3x Anamorphic de-squeeze was added to the epic firmware but today was a great day to find it. Lovely with my Hawk V-Lite 1.3x

Cheers!

-Robin
 
Thank you soo much for the hard and brilliant work, Greame and RED! How did you do this without touchinging the overall red colors (In Phils second picture you can see that the red tone of the chromatic effect in the highlight stays the same)? very nice!

The overall picture after DEB looks a bit sharper too me, right? That shows that its a very different approach then a post noise reduction, Daniel. (Phil also mentioned, that it happens in realtime! I love it!)

And thank you Phil and John for your steady help on this forum! You guys rock!
 
if you push saturation, you see the improvement very well, good job ...
if you do a light curve, it´s a clean black.
when can we have the new Redcine ?
 

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This isn't totally comprehensive, but here you go :

Version 5.2.16




6K - 82.81
6K 2:1 - 84.51
6K WS - 99.91
6K HD - 83.12
5K - 95.69
5K 2:1 - 100.83
5K WS - 119.08
5K HD - 95.69
4K - 119.51
4K 2:1 - 124.01
4K WS - 148.68
4K HD - 119.51
3K - 159.10




Version 5.2.21


6K - 82.81
6K 2:1 - 84.51
6K WS - 99.91
6K HD - 83.12
5K - 96.39
5K 2:1 - 101.60
5K WS - 120.16
5K HD - 96.39
4K - 120.83
4K 2:1 - 127.37
4K WS - 150.72
4K HD - 120.83
3K - 160.24
 
Casey Green said:
This is a nice option, thanks for the hard work.

I do agree with the point of keeping things simple, however. I'd be interested in learning what the practical reasons would be for disabling Dragon Enhanced Blacks?
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Casey, this is pure speculation, but if the shot has plenty of light, like daylight for instance, it's possible we wouldn't want to "clean it up" by using DEB.

Also, I'm wondering if having DEB on changes the highlights in any way?
 
I didn't think about the noise reduction NOT being available to external recorders. Hmmmm...bummer as we were looking at switching to a prores workflow for a project.

I wonder if this is a permanent fix or a fix to get something out to users?

I do agree the Red ecosystem doesn't need more complexity so DEB ideally wouldn't be an option.

I hope Elsie speculation is incorrect and DEB only affects bottom end. I suppose this shows we need more info with this release.
 
The power of RAW...keeps getting better.

BTW I was emailed the Fletcher Camera Chart and they rate Dragon at 13.5 stops, whereas all Alexa are rated at 14 or 14+ stops, along with the F65.
 
Phil Holland said:
For you Stacey anything :)

Here's a sample laid out in an easier to A/B sort of way.
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When I saw this test Phil, I thought... weeeeeelllllll....... somethings going on in there, but it looks so marginal, who's really going to notice the change.

My question is, when you start pushing the shot around in grade, is there going to be any noticeable attributes. ?

So I did my trusty torture test to see if what ever the change was, was it actually noticeable?

BOOM!!!!!! MOST CERTAINLY IS !!!

Just curious why there is a DEB on and a DEB off switch? ... what ever DEB is, turn it on, leave it on and throw away the on and off button.


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Great examples Mark. This seems like something that will make Dragon footage suitable for exhibiting even beyond 4k without much post work being done.

First ADD and now DEB. I'm starting to love acronyms!
 
John Marchant said:
This isn't totally comprehensive, but here you go :

Version 5.2.16




6K - 82.81
6K 2:1 - 84.51
6K WS - 99.91
6K HD - 83.12
5K - 95.69
5K 2:1 - 100.83
5K WS - 119.08
5K HD - 95.69
4K - 119.51
4K 2:1 - 124.01
4K WS - 148.68
4K HD - 119.51
3K - 159.10




Version 5.2.21


6K - 82.81
6K 2:1 - 84.51
6K WS - 99.91
6K HD - 83.12
5K - 96.39
5K 2:1 - 101.60
5K WS - 120.16
5K HD - 96.39
4K - 120.83
4K 2:1 - 127.37
4K WS - 150.72
4K HD - 120.83
3K - 160.24
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thanks john!
 
Thank you Jarred and Graeme... Really kinda special that you keep improving the sauce and thank you Phil And John for taking personal time to test and be so patient with us all.


Cheers from Austria,

Peter
 
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