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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DSMC-2, The Weapon, The Scarlet-W and the Raven and the improvements that they bring.

I gotta give it to the wooden camera guys.. they did a good job with their Weapon accessories.

I think it is time to bury that animosity and start embracing their efforts...

Wow - this is very cool. I don't know a whole lot of detail about the back story on the "feud" but I have always found Ryan at WC to be a really nice guy and WC accessories to be of very good quality and design. Options are good!
 
I gotta give it to the wooden camera guys.. they did a good job with their Weapon accessories.

I think it is time to bury that animosity and start embracing their efforts...

I would really like to see RED develop an exclusive relationship with WC for their RED products. Let them furnish the finished product to you for sale through the RED website (but hopefully keeping close to their retail prices '-).

Good for RED customers as it gives us one place to look for RED solutions. In a way you become the camera "Amazon" in that you allow purchases through RED of not only your own brand but any and everyone's brand. Of course, only the RED brand has your full faith and guarantee behind it.
 
Yea my mini and weapon both will hVe significant WC accessories on them
 
I gotta give it to the wooden camera guys.. they did a good job with their Weapon accessories.

I think it is time to bury that animosity and start embracing their efforts...

I would love this! You are both great companies who only want the best for their customers. Teamwork can only be positive. :)
 
Holy cow, good on Jarred for commending the work WC has done. Honestly, coming to REDuser and seeing how active the community is (and most importantly how much open communication there is between owners and customers--something I've grown frustrated with Sony about) was a pretty big part of why I put down my Scarlet-W deposit.

I think WC's top plate is a pretty brilliant solution to getting a top plate without flat-out losing the pogo connection. I almost wish it was a single LEMO (drawn from the SSD-side pogo) and that the top of the plate had a pass-through pogo for a monitor. As it stands, while using the top plate your only choice for the RED monitor is to buy the Lemo Adapter B and always use a cable. Regardless those details, it's awesome that RED is looking to possibly bury the hatchet.
 
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Hello Jarred! I have a film to shoot Mid April. Do you think I am saved to say I will have my Scarlet W before then?

Happy Holidays! :)
 
I have noticed in a few threads over the last couple days a lot of people asking alot of questions on what the improvements are with Weapon and DSMC-2 System, which means we probably should list them all in one thread to make everyone's life easier.

The top highlights I think most of you know:

-Built-in-ProRes ( and another format coming soon )
-Lower REDCODE Compression ratios
-Auto Sensor Calibration
-3D lut support
-Built in Wifi
-Lower Weight with an improved mechanical design
-3rd party module support


I thought I would take a few photos and highlight some of the other improvements that we talk a little less about.

With the Introduction of the Scarlet-W on Thursday, There are now 5 RED cameras that share the new DSMC2 Body. From left to Right below, The 6K Weapon MG, The 6K Weapon Carbon, The mighty 8K Weapon ( Forged ), The 5K Scarlet-W , And the 4.5k Raven.

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The DSMC2 RED Dragon Sensor related improvements:

All the RED DSMC2 Cameras share the same Dragon pixel design that most of you know and love, applied in various sizes and configurations.

On the DSMC2 system, The Dragon gets to perform better.

The Dragon Sensor in the new system is surrounded by brand new everything. Better sensor board designs, better components and better connections between them make for a noticeable improvement in image quality, From the highlights to the noise floor, improved sensor streaking, and better control of temperature variances. We also designed a completely new sensor cover glass to squash out a lot of the flare and improve that last level of defense against IR contamination.

Phil Holland did a great test that shows the bounty of all these improvements over here: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?137883-RED-Weapon-Dynamic-Range-and-Latitude-Examined

RED ASIC Improvements

Most of you know that we make our own sensors, less of you know that we also make our own ASICs. ASICs are the the processors inside the cameras that put everything together, and we make a few different ones to do different things. In cameras, it is easy to 2 of the 3 things. Resolution, Dynamic Range, or Frame Rates. To do all 3 like RED cameras system do, it is incredibly difficult. You need an incredibly talented team of engineers that can make incredibly talented sensors and you also need incredibly talented processors to keep up with them.

Making your own Processor ASIC is incredibly expensive, resource draining, and very, very, time consuming .. which is why most companies just use generic processors ( and rebrand them as their own ) or use generic FPGAs . Nothing wrong with that.. but you get stuck with " good enough " rather than exceptional. When you make a industry surpassing sensor, you need mate it to something that doesn't cripple everything.. which is why we make our own ASICs.

Here is a photo of one of our ASICs in wafer form. Might be boring to some of you.. but these ASICS are a work of art. They have dozens of layers of magic in them and they ones in the DSMC2 cameras are stupid fast. It is how we can offer so much more bandwidth and do so many things all at the same time.. i.e 8k resolution at a bat-shit-crazy-75-mother-fucking-frames per second.

This isn't a step or a skip or leap above anything else.. This is a get-in-a-rocket-ship-to-the-moon kind of jump.


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Cooling System improvements:


More like a complete redesign rather than an improvement.

When you put 4k or 4.5k or 5k or 6k or 8k into a camera the size of the Epic/Weapon/DSMC2 camera, your quite literally playing with fire.

On DSMC2, we changed the fan intake from the front to the top and the exhaust from the top to the bottom back and reversed the entire flow of air.. and sound, away from whatever it is your shooting. This one personally surprised me, and I actually would of bet money on it not working in reverse , as my armchair-backseat engineering- google searching head just always went with the " heat rises " concept. I was dead wrong. The new cameras run cooler, quieter and the sound guys get a lot less offended.

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OLPF Improvements:

This is another piece that has had a lot of work done. The Swappable OLPF system that we introduced with the Epic Dragons really has been an exciting opportunity for users to tweak their cameras to different shooting conditions and Creative styles. We have an array of filters available and 3rd parties like John Marchant's Kippertie filters give a plethora of creative possibilities.

The OLPFs in all of the DSMC2 bodies that have a swappable OLPF ( all except the Raven ) Have a new design as well.

The DSMC2 OLPFs are now " Smart " meaning that the camera knows which one you have in your camera so you don't need too change that in the camera menus every time you change filters.

Also we did away with those 4 little pain in the ass screws and developed a quick release system that ejects the filter with one turn of a single allen key. Since we moved the quartz off of the OLPF and onto the Sensor Glass, alignment of the filters also has become less critical for those less than ideal field changes.

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Two RED monitor ports on the brain instead of one, and no monitor cables (if you don't want them).


The Epic and Scarlet have a single monitor lemo on the brain and to get another RED monitor you need to add a specific module. The DSMC2 system has 2 new ports on the brain one on the top and one on the side, that allow you to direct connect a combination of RED LCDs or EVFs in various configurations without cables getting in the way or cable failure ruining your day. You can still use the DSMC2 Lemo Adapters if you do want to run one or two of the ports to an offboard monitor or EVF, you get it both ways.

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Internal Scratch Microphones built in, and a redesigned back focus adjustment .

The Microphones on the front are pretty self explanatory, but the new Sensor adjustment for back-focus is a hidden little jem. It has been repositioned below the front logo coin, away from top plates and monitors and easy to get to when you want to, and easy to get to when you don't.

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OK, not 21 usable stops, but this interests me a lot. Applying dome filtering techniques would make it ussuable for soevisl purposes.

As for heat, yes on a passive cooling system heat rising is the best, and less noise. On an active system the air is being pushed or pulled, so it matters less. If you have a hot wind opposing the outlet though, you may need some sort of wind gaurd so the air can travel freely sideways, or s reverse direction fan, to work with the wind, but these situations are probably rare. As technology advances allow, you can hook back to a passive coolling system. But if you are filming at very high temperatures it may not. Water spray through the outlet radiator may help.
 
Now, when are we going to get the $2k "Still Weapon" stills video platform to compete with DSLR?

I've long advocated that such a beast could be made in conjunction with a consumer electronics company that needs better profile in their camera range, and through their distribution channels. Samsung, LG, Olympus, are just some examples that may want a flagship. An 8k still function would make a nice sales companion for upcoming 8k TV's.
Such a camera could act as a test platform for advanced video production control features as used in prosumer camcorders used in the industry. Compression does not have to be great on 4kp50, but the same data rate can.be used at lower frame rates. At least three other companies would be.most worried.
 
I gotta give it to the wooden camera guys.. they did a good job with their Weapon accessories.

I think it is time to bury that animosity and start embracing their efforts...


Have met them a few times at NAB and seem like good people doing good work, glad to hear they will be coming back into the community.
 
Nope, googled international incident between wooden camera and red users and got nothing relevant. :(
 
Thanks, ok. Not much to do with the community.

Why tinyurl, they probably log my IP address.
 
Thanks, ok. Not much to do with the community.

Why tinyurl, they probably log my IP address.

Because I can't type w o o den on this forum without it being censored. But it seems like that's about to change soon.

Edit: i think it's already possible! Www.woodencamera.com
Nicely played :thumbsup:
 
Thanks Bob. Merry Season to you.
 
Thanks Bob. Merry Season to you.

Wayne! Are you ill? This is the shortest post I think you've ever written!

Anyway, Merry Christmas/Holidays to you. '-)
 
Probably not.
 
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