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DSLR-killer...

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Jim will burn through his fortune even before RED ONE will become a finished product. All the other announcements and dreams and pronouncements will be forgotten.
Those who waited for these fantastic products will go and buy D90 or whatever the Canon and Sony and Nikon sells. These companies do not make an announcement until they have finished product stacked up in warehouses ready for sale.
Beware of counting (or announcing ) the chickens before they are hatched.
 
ThydNostrum said:
Jim will burn through his fortune even before RED ONE will become a finished product. All the other announcements and dreams and pronouncements will be forgotten.
Those who waited for these fantastic products will go and buy D90 or whatever the Canon and Sony and Nikon sells. These companies do not make an announcement until they have finished product stacked up in warehouses ready for sale.
Beware of counting (or announcing ) the chickens before they are hatched.
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Wow....
 
Evin Grant said:
I disagree, still & motion photography are cousins not siblings. They require wholly different approaches to attain pro caliber results. Not to mention the completely different use of shutter speed/angle. Unless you are specifically looking to capture a series for use as multiple images a "spray and pray" approach is as creatively deadening as "Let it roll" was on DV. There is an urgency and a creativity that is imbued by the "Decisive Moment". If you don't believe me ask Mr. Cartier Bresson.
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This is what I'm talking about. I really can't say it any better than you did. Those that think pulling frames from a video will replace still photography don't get the art of still photography.
 
lubomir.zvolensky said:
I definitely agree with your "quality over quantity" but I'm sure you understand that it's quite difficult sometimes to catch the absolutely most precise moment with 6fps and even 10fps, and absolutely impossible with 3fps. Take, for example, NASCAR racing, recent Olympics event etc. You could be the second best photographer in the world and you won't catch the moment with "traditional" photogear... and I'll have it, just because I was shooting 100fps with RED. You will never catch the "contact" moment of crash in car race when first bumper is starting to be broken by second one... things are happening cruelly fast.
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I'm not sure you give still shooters and their capabilities enough credit here. Now more than ever sports shooters not only have amazing sets of gear to choose from, but many are also using wifi so as they shoot, the images are copied onto computers so images can be reviewed, edited, and sent to print or publish while the even is taking place.

Interesting you bring up the Olympics - the shot that captured Phelps touching the board first to win was a spray & pray from an underwater 1D3 (I think) rig. But the one where the MoS picture of taekwondo girl Sarah landing a kick overturns result to win bronze for Britain was the defining moment, with a D3. The photographer knew he had it rght after it happened and chimped the results to the appropriate channels.

I'm far from an Olympic sports shooter, but I got my start in photography by shooting sports, baseball, football, ice & inline hockey. After a while of shooting and developing my skillset, I could nail the ball on the bat every pitch (if the ball was hit) or the bending of the stick during a slapshot with one click. One frame.

I'm not saying there aren't new doors to be opened with this technology, but it's not taking over the world by any means.

Oh yes, for studio work, portraits, architecture and such, I would not prefer RED [yet, maybe in a year or two situation will change]. Definitely, it is VERY VERY nice to see merger between two very different areas : still photography and moving pictures. We need more stuff like D90, the new 5D whatever-the-name-will-be, RED ONE [where you are able to pull out single frames and use them as photography!] and hereby announced new kind of DSCM or what it was :) I really like price of Sony A900, full-frame, 24Mpix new-generation sensor... I really like price of RED ONE, Scarlet and I'm looking forward for this announcement to materialize.
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I'm with you I like seeing video and stills converge into interesting products. That said, the process, techniques, and abilities of both trades are different enough, that no matter how good a video is at pulling stills and no matter how good a still camera is at making video, there are inherent trates of both that can't be replicated by the other based on the differences of the processes that take place. Each has their place, and it's silly to think that one will be replaced by the other. I actually see the availability to offer new products & experiences to our clients on both sides of the fence rather than the demise of one profession.
 
jimmm can i ask u onething? r u planing to change whole the world? is that ur future plan? then am nt gonna buy any laptops cameras and displays till 2010 jann....lol
 
Jim, would you - please - start making electric cars in 2010? I'm looking forward for some family van, like Chrysler Town&Country [european version : Grand Voyager] with 300 mile coverage on one set of batteries, fully chargeable in four hours. Dynamic parameters are not interesting for me at all, we are talking super-electric engine here. Four motors, built in wheels.

Oh yes, don't forget the price : below $7000 including 50" plazma and DVD/BlueRay entertainment system please :)
 
Jason Ing said:
Canon 40D (which is already has been equaled by its new, and cheaper, little brother, the XSI).
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Why is it that a camera gets "equated" when some of its features are caught up with?

There's more to a camera than just its feature set or its sensor. Little things like user interface, ruggedness, weight and so on are important as well.

The XSI is not just "new, cheaper" but a consumer-grade camera. UI is going to be different than what you'll get on the amature-grade 40D. Also, the 40D is going to be heavier and will be much more stable when used with the superior-quality higher-grade lenses. The lens mount on the XSI won't be able to handle the weight of the heavier lenses as easily.

I'm sure the XSI is great for what it is, but I'd hardly consider it as a plausible upgrade for my 30D. 40D maybe, but not a consumer-grade cam. They generally don't have enough weight to suit me anymore.

I've been spoiled by the better equipment...
 
Red Guy said:
"Heck, I`ve seen takes of 20 minutes length were the camera was aimed at two guys reading books..."

How was the audio?
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LOL. Don`t know about their inner monologues...


Red Guy said:
I was editing some crap that a client shot on DV the other day. They at least had a lav mike thrown on the person. Go to the last interview. No audio.
They ask how can I fix it? I say re-shoot...they ask if I can put sub-titles in...I said sure! Who can read lips? They are re-shooting next week.
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Jesus. How dumb can clients be...
 
fde101 said:
Why is it that a camera gets "equated" when some of its features are caught up with?

There's more to a camera than just its feature set or its sensor. Little things like user interface, ruggedness, weight and so on are important as well.

The XSI is not just "new, cheaper" but a consumer-grade camera. UI is going to be different than what you'll get on the amature-grade 40D. Also, the 40D is going to be heavier and will be much more stable when used with the superior-quality higher-grade lenses. The lens mount on the XSI won't be able to handle the weight of the heavier lenses as easily.

I'm sure the XSI is great for what it is, but I'd hardly consider it as a plausible upgrade for my 30D. 40D maybe, but not a consumer-grade cam. They generally don't have enough weight to suit me anymore.

I've been spoiled by the better equipment...
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As a backup body I bought an XSi a few months ago. It's a pleasant surprise to work with! I added the dual battery accessory to make the camera larger and heavier in my hand. All my L series lenses mount just fine, and the bottom line is the results have been excellent. At 12.2MP, with a feature set that includes live action view, 3" LCD, and a long list of features that mirror the more expensive Canon DSLRs, I certainly wouldn't write the XSi off as just a "consumer" camera. Fact is it has a large number of pro-level features, and in the experienced hands of a pro it turns out pro results.

BTW #1 - I sold my other backup body DSLR after I bought and tested out the XSi - and it was a 30D.

BTW #2 - Beyond the low-end XSi, I'm not planning on buying another high-end DSLR until i personally check out and test the new RED DSMC. I expect it to be remarkable, nothing less.
 
Hi dear

am new user with a new reed 4k
i have a simple question
how can i edit the red files
- i need a plugin to dont lost qualite or something ?
- i have to use avid or final cut for the 4096x2048 ?

thnks for help
 
fde101 said:
Why is it that a camera gets "equated" when some of its features are caught up with?

There's more to a camera than just its feature set or its sensor. Little things like user interface, ruggedness, weight and so on are important as well.

The XSI is not just "new, cheaper" but a consumer-grade camera. UI is going to be different than what you'll get on the amature-grade 40D. Also, the 40D is going to be heavier and will be much more stable when used with the superior-quality higher-grade lenses. The lens mount on the XSI won't be able to handle the weight of the heavier lenses as easily.

I'm sure the XSI is great for what it is, but I'd hardly consider it as a plausible upgrade for my 30D. 40D maybe, but not a consumer-grade cam. They generally don't have enough weight to suit me anymore.

I've been spoiled by the better equipment...
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I don't really follow this argument. You need your camera to be heavier?? Add a battery grip. I think the bottom line is that many 40D buyers felt burned after the XSI came out. Message boards are full of 40D owners badmouthing the XSI. I generally see more emotion in their posts than anything else.
 
Technology will always eventually be "caught up with" and passed by.

Maybe "equaled" wasn't exactly the right word. XSI isn't equal to the 40D in many ways, other then the most important, the sensor. So I don't regret getting the 40D (yet) and not having the XSI. In fact, I convinced a friend to get the 40D over the XSI recently and just pay the few hundred bucks different because those extra features make a difference. But will there be newer technology that will make me want to dump the 40D? Yes. Nikon's new low light feature seems interesting. And I know Canon will respond in kind.

But my main point is that Red truly delivered on making obsolecence obsolete.

"Planned obsolecence" is just evil, corporate greed. And that's not the only evil planning . I know that corporations already have technologies that they hold off on to include in the "next generation" that births in only 1 year.

Hey Jim, I'm wondering if "making obsolecence obsolete" applies to the DSMC as well? If the body is the best of the best with all the bells and whistles, ergonomical, modular, customizable, firmware upgradeable (ala Red One), etc., will we be able to pay for just the upgrade of the newest sensor?
 
I think they have basically hinted at the fact that, yes, the Red "DSLR Killer" will be upgradeable.

I agree with you that Canon, Nikon, etc, are disgraceful for building $7,000 DSLRs that cannot be upgraded. People who dropped that kind of money on a 1DsM2 are littered across the internet right now trying to hock their Mark IIs for a couple grand before the new 5D comes out.

Jim has exposed this kind of business practice for what it is.
 
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