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Dragon with original Rocket???

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Hi

Does the original Rocket transcode Dragon?

Any one knows?

Antonio
 
Mathieu Ghekiere said:
No, unfortunately not. (I don't know if this will change in the future)
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that hurts...what are we going to to do with our old rockets?

I still have my Red One...will the rocket x transcode Red One R3D's?
 
Antonio Forjaz said:
I still have my Red One...will the rocket x transcode Red One R3D's?
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ROCKET-X does decode RED ONE with the latest drivers, firmware, and REDCINE-X PRO Build 30.1
 
Not everyone prioritises or has the cash-flow in these tough times to constantly keep up with the joneses in terms of computing hardware.

I know Red and power computer users have other priorities, but it sure would be nice to allow existing owners of the old Rocket to process Dragon, even if slower than a souped up current MacPro/PC/GPU.

Please don't stop supporting old Rockets!
 
i don't think that its on purpose at all, your talking very old hardware with different coding. i bet they are much more focused on optimizing redcine for GPU/CPUs because when they do that everyone wins rocket or no rocket
 
we all hope one day old rockets will work tho...
 
Hey Red. Any hints/rumours on Dragon support for the old Rocket?
 
I get this sense that people are going to regret dumping them for as low as 1000$. At that price keep it just for the reams of footage in the world that is MX and r1m.

It just seems completely implausible to me that a video card in a 3,1 Mac can decode Dragon footage and the only card it the world that doesn't is reds own r3d purpose built card. Heck, it's almost embarrassing that a 5770 card decodes dragon and reds own card does not. Makes no sense.

I think once enough rocket x cards are in the wild the update will come for the previous gen rockets.

I refuse to believe its a boat anchor.

It it will always work with everything captured to date (previous to dragon).

Until there is some definitive word from red that it will not even help with dragon I am holding out hope it will eventually at least help with dragon r3d's.

That said, the last word I remember on this is that updating the rocket is not a top priority.

Battistella
 
I don't think it's ever going to happen in reality.

Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head:

- REDCODE RAW was more or less "re-coded" and tooled for Dragon. It's still REDCODE, but it's not the REDCODE that the original Rocket was optimized and programmed to utilize.
- GPU Acceleration. This now exists and has changed a lot of things. A decent modern GPU can outperform the original Rocket in encoding and transcoding.

The above two points have been mentioned by Red here. I wouldn't put it past Red to come up with some sort of OG Rocket update to get those older Rockets a bit more life though. It's more complicated than it looks and I honestly don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze.

As for the Rocket-X. On decent through "screamer" style systems it can get faster than realtime performance in transcodes. However, you got to build the right system to really get the good juice out of this thing. It works on every system. However, with appropriate internal bandwidth, fast RAID, and a good CPU(s) you can build a system that's scary fast.
 
Rocket X gave me faster then real time 6k->1080 prores 422LT on a not contemporary mac air...that is damn impressive for full debayer... I feel for those with original rockets and hope one day they work with dragon...even if they don't encode super fast just functioning at all would make a lot of folks who have them happy...i saw one sell on RU for 500 bucks recently, blew my mind
 
Ummm... I don't recall them ever saying the original Rocket will work with Dragon. In fact, I recall the opposite. In that it was highly unlikely due to the need to allocate critical resources to such a thing to make it happen. And it's lacking in practicality with recent GPU advancements for both the RED software and GPU hardware in general.

With GPU support now enabled, I'm getting better performance out of a single Titan or hopped-up GTX780 card than out of the original Rocket. And those cards benefit Dragon too. Of course, the GPU support has only just started to trickle into the SDK and third-party apps beyond REDCINE-X.
 
Medavoym said:
RED said that the old Rocket card will work with Dragon.

Period.

It's a matter of time, since RED keeps their promises.
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The official word, and beyond the quote the rest of this thread I'm linking to is worth reading:

Jarred Land said:
No time frame.. R1 to process 5K and lower dragon footage is on the list but GPU processing has taken priority as another generation or two GPU will be able to beat the original Rocket.
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As mentioned there GPU acceleration is going to overtake the original Rocket. I actually think it has already even. The Rocket-X however is much stronger and beefier and more better.... er....

The original Rocket is limited by it's design spec a bit. Red can squeeze some juice out of it I'm sure, but the bigger question you need to ask yourself is:

A. Why you aren't taking advantage of faster or as fast speeds via GPU?
B. If you really need "hard speed" why not upgrade to the Rocket-X?


I'm currently a GPU man myself. This might change if I need to chew through a lot of .R3Ds in a day. However, most of my particular workflow is to work natively with REDCODE and that works for my pipeline at the moment.
 
Jeff,
Jim stated on Reduser last year that the original Rocket would work with Dragon.
I saw the post in just the last few days (I don't have a link).
It was only when the first few people received their Dragons that it emerged that the old RR card was not enabled.
My first few dragon jobs (at the beginning of this year) were a nightmare as shipments of the RR-X were delayed. I didn't have mine, and the major LA post houses dealing with the footage didn't have any. Possibly still don't. They complained to the client about having to deal with dragon files.
That caused the dragon to be temporarily banned by the major network I was shooting for (probably rightly so). I had to shoot Alexa instead. This is LA, and major post facilities we're talking about here.
Things improved after I received my RRX, but I still live in fear that a post house doesn't have one, and will complain if they need to re-transcode down the line, when my RRX station is not available to help out..

Phil it's easy to declare what's sensible from an owner/operator POV (using a RRX), but when the optimal infrastructure isn't out there for the industry to deal the dragon files, and the original RRX would have got everyone through he job (albeit slower), then post houses and clients are screwed, and Red is the loser, unfortunately.
It doesn't make much sense to me that the folks at Red had a thought of eventually get around to enabling the original RR, when that's the card that's mostly out there to enable the use of The dragon on a job (albeit with slower processing).
 
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