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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon Update

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Jarred Land said:
As you can probably tell this is very hard for us.. Jim and I are horrible at containing our excitement. I can't tell you how many times We have almost posted a taste here or there over the last little while :)
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Give in...just give in already....... its too much stress for you to handle........... giiiiiiiiiiiive iiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn!
 
Jarred I think there isn't a soul out there that isn't happy you're taking time to perfect these.

Except maybe those rooting against you.

Getting the sensor response and color matrix perfect... i guess thats the icing on the cake, sure, but it's also kinda the whole damn birthday party... take all the time in the world...

One thing is for sure, lots of people will pass around whatever first images come out.

Please disappoint those who think this is only about resolution...
 
Thanks mate. I can work with 'janky' i live for Janky.

Shooting a 2 camera job this month in Prague, I need a larger sensor and NY agency insists (rightly) on raw.
Dragon would keep us both VERY happy and save me from 5D. Next job tho i guess.

j
 
Jason Wingrove said:
Thanks mate. I can work with 'janky' i live for Janky.

Shooting a 2 camera job this month in Prague, I need a larger sensor and NY agency insists (rightly) on raw.
Dragon would keep us both VERY happy and save me from 5D. Next job tho i guess.

j
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Oh God. I'm so glad that no agency I work with would ever ask for a hacked 5D to shoot a real job. WHat a nightmare of stress and risk (and ugly over-sharpened texture rendition - including ugly skin - that drives me mad) .
 
Robert Ruffo New said:
Oh God. I'm so glad that no agency I work with would ever ask for a hacked 5D to shoot a real job.
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If they do, tell them that if they want 'hip', keep it in front of the lens, not behind it. :)
 
Karim D. Ghantous said:
If they do, tell them that if they want 'hip', keep it in front of the lens, not behind it. :)
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I don;t see how a look that resembles every wedding video since 2009 is hip anyway - more like cheesy and cheap looking. Also don't see the interest of shooting FF - I mean f1.4 at 5KHD is not enough shallow depth of field!? Come on! Don't we sometimes want to see the set/environment a little, not just bits of eyes and ears floating in a sea of blur and bokeh? (I call it "wedding bokeh" now - Catchy no?)
 
Robert Ruffo New said:
I don;t see how a look that resembles every wedding video since 2009 is hip anyway - more like cheesy and cheap looking. Also don't see the interest of shooting FF - I mean f1.4 at 5KHD is not enough shallow depth of field!? Come on! Don't we sometimes want to see the set/environment a little, not just bits of eyes and ears floating in a sea of blur and bokeh? (I call it "wedding bokeh" now - Catchy no?)
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I have a feeling it has more to do with FOV than with shallow DOF.
 
Scott C said:
I have a feeling it has more to do with FOV than with shallow DOF.
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Actually sounded more like a "stills" shoot rather than video. Otherwise, why not just shoot with his Epic X?
 
they didnt ask for a hacked 5D? i want to shoot with the largest sensor available, 5D or not full frame makes the images on my reel that my clients respond to, hold up as refence for their job and the reasons they hired me. They dont care how i got them there. The agency (as they handle the post after the director has shot the job) requested raw, so thats epic or alexa / codex. I was just saying that dragon cant come soon enough, though its not full frame its getting there and it will keep us both happy.

if the ML hack ever gets stable and workable ill look at that too. full frame is undeniably an lovely and different look and whoever makes a usable flexible FF image & codec in a sensible grown up camera will get my vote. 5D isnt ideal though ive made a lot of money and plenty of awards using it but its time to move on.
 
Jason Wingrove said:
they didnt ask for a hacked 5D? i want to shoot with the largest sensor available, 5D or not full frame makes the images on my reel that my clients respond to, hold up as refence for their job and the reasons they hired me. They dont care how i got them there. The agency (as they handle the post after the director has shot the job) requested raw, so thats epic or alexa / codex. I was just saying that dragon cant come soon enough, though its not full frame its getting there and it will keep us both happy.

if the ML hack ever gets stable and workable ill look at that too. full frame is undeniably an lovely and different look and whoever makes a usable flexible FF image & codec in a sensible grown up camera will get my vote. 5D isnt ideal though ive made a lot of money and plenty of awards using it but its time to move on.
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I'm very particular about texture rendition. I see it, I feel it, and when it's wrong it drives me mad. I don't do the work I do only for clients, least of all for awards - in fact I prefer to remain anonymous as much as possible and don't even want accolades. Only our sales agents know the full list of what Amber and I have done. I do what I do to create images I consider compelling or beautiful, for the sake of creating them. If skin looks imperfect and wrong, then I am not happy and I feel I have wasted my time, because I don't like it. I know you work in more naturalistic/doco areas, and that's fine, and certainly is also a worthy pursuit, but there are other types of cinematography where fine and delicate details are considered at length, where everything is adjusted until it is "just right", where makeup takes two hours, where run-and-gun is an alien concept. In this world no 5D video is actually "lovely" - it falls short 100% of the time, because people are looking closely, people are very, very fussy, and when something even subtle is wrong, particularly skin, hair and fabric texture, they are way less than happy.

It will only be "time to move on" when clients stop asking us to use bad tools, and stop failing to see the shortcomings of these tools until it is too late.
 
Robert Ruffo New said:
Also don't see the interest of shooting FF - I mean f1.4 at 5KHD is not enough shallow depth of field!? Come on! Don't we sometimes want to see the set/environment a little, not just bits of eyes and ears floating in a sea of blur and bokeh? (I call it "wedding bokeh" now - Catchy no?)
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::chuckle:: Well personally I don't like shooting at very wide apertures. f2.0 at the widest, preferably f/2.8. I am probably going to be heckled for bringing up Citizen Kane all the time, but if that movie isn't cinematic then nothing is.

Robert Ruffo New said:
You can get excellent 14mm lenses mounted on an Epic at 5K. These will give you ridiculously wide field of view.
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Actually I have a Samyang 14/2.8. It has been shown to have very low CA and good sharpness. It has barrel distortion but for stills it's okay because it's easy to correct (it has no secondary distortion, unlike the Zeiss 18mm). I bought it for use on a Sony NEX but have not used it yet. Very handy to have in case I need to shoot in a tight spot with that camera. Even on a Micro 4/3 camera it's still pretty wide - equivalent to 28mm on a Leica. If I were shooting a movie with a decent budget, I'd pass on this lens, though.
 
Jason Wingrove said:
they didnt ask for a hacked 5D? i want to shoot with the largest sensor available, 5D or not full frame makes the images on my reel that my clients respond to, hold up as refence for their job and the reasons they hired me. They dont care how i got them there. The agency (as they handle the post after the director has shot the job) requested raw, so thats epic or alexa / codex. I was just saying that dragon cant come soon enough, though its not full frame its getting there and it will keep us both happy.

if the ML hack ever gets stable and workable ill look at that too. full frame is undeniably an lovely and different look and whoever makes a usable flexible FF image & codec in a sensible grown up camera will get my vote. 5D isnt ideal though ive made a lot of money and plenty of awards using it but its time to move on.
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Full frame is a look that folks love. Tough to argue with going that route regardless of compression.
 
proof indeed that its 'horses for courses' and theres as many different shooting styles out there as there are clients and products.

Competent full frame (or near full frame) acquisition is still something i'm holding out for, just ometimes feel its only me who wants it. The look is great but the back end, ergonomics and codecs are sucky. With dragon i will hev a choice. shoot FF for that look then bump back to 5 or 4K for a more traditional cinema look.
 
Tech question:
is red rocket X going to work via thunderbolt? And if so, which enclosure will work good with it?
Im using a sonnet thunderbolt enclosure with the original rocket and it works like a charm.
 
It will work with the upgraded Sonnet TB chasis, but cannot reach its full potential of being 5x faster that the current RR. The RRx will need a x16 slot to do that, that means a tower.
 
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