dragon slow motion framerates, max resolution/ compression

[Aaron Bernakevitch]

Has the information regarding this been release yet?

I know that there are a few Dragons out there in the wild and tons of 6k 100fps footage but I am curious as to max frame rates in 5k, 4k and 2k. As well as there respective compression settings.

Thanks

 

[Bob Gundu]

I can answer the frame rate part.
http://www.red.com/products/epic-dragon#tech-specs

 

[Phil Holland]

We'll have to do some rather necessary tests with the new lower noise REDCODE to figure out what's best for production use. It looks like we can shoot at higher ratios while maintaining good detail fidelity from initial observations.

We'll know soon.

 

[Chad Lancaster]

I'm interested in knowing the frame rates/compression at 6k on the 512 cards, if that all is finalized yet.

 

[Kyle Dones]

I'm interested in knowing the frame rates/compression at 6k on the 512 cards, if that all is finalized yet.

Im not terribly impressed by the RC the 512 allows you to shoot at on m-x. I would hope (and pray and wish and beg) for RED to come out with something a bit more helpful and faster and with options as far as size goes, for example faster 128gb and/or 256gb SSD

 

[Aaron Bernakevitch]

I can answer the frame rate part.
http://www.red.com/products/epic-dragon#tech-specs

Hi Rob

Thanks for the link, it appears that the FPS for 2K has been cut off on this page. It says 3k 1-300fps 2k. Does anyone Know if we will have higher framerates in 2K? I shoot with a lot of clients who love high speed. Based on the fact that you can achieve 100fps in 6K, the output for frame rates in 2k should be much greater then 300fps.

Thoughts?...

 

[Chris Bourke]

Hi Rob

Thanks for the link, it appears that the FPS for 2K has been cut off on this page. It says 3k 1-300fps 2k. Does anyone Know if we will have higher framerates in 2K? I shoot with a lot of clients who love high speed. Based on the fact that you can achieve 100fps in 6K, the output for frame rates in 2k should be much greater then 300fps.

Thoughts?...

I'm hoping for at least 400fps at 2k.
I'm sure they're just getting the 2k fps worked out at the moment and have something exciting going on.

After all, they can't tell us all the secrets of the Dragon just yet. :lipsrsealed:

 

[Ketch Rossi]

I wish to bring back an important fact when considering lower in camera resolution for the sake of capturing higher frame rates for Slow Mo use...

Some times has been my experience in previous non scientific tests and unfortunately not finalized on a true side by side, that with modern post tools, one could achieve the same results shooting at full rez and apply the desired slow mo in post, as supposed shooting higher frame rate in camera with much lower resolution and much higher compression, and also this will allow to keep the original full rez files to get full 4K finish, and also allow to pull any still frames out of the high rez files.


This should be one of the first test I should conclude in a professional controlled environments once possible, with Dragon of course, but this will relate also to all RED sensors, in a way or an other, but I would still imagine that will hold better results on Dragon for obvious reasons.

 

[Neil Dearman]

My buddies F700 goes up to 960 FPS, wish we could get half of that for the price I am paying for the Dragon. f700 body is around 7 Grand

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Remember that is not just how many frames per second can it shoot, but how will it hold up on a 4K scan, or upscale, and that is why I prefer to shoot as high rez as possible given maximum frame rates allowed with less compression as possible, and then slow it down in post, but while the naked eye can not see much a of a difference on HD, I ned and ail test it with 4K finish to make final decision on how to go about it when need asks for it.

At the end is also extremely important how the files handle Post work, and nothing less the RAW will do the job well in my experience, additionally not every Raw files handles Post in the same way, were I have found that the RED RAW files do handle extremely well, even under heavy Post work.

 

[Michael Lindsay]

Compression choices of 18:1 to 3:1
12 and 16-bit RAW : Compression choices of 18:1 to 3:1
1-100 fps 6K
1-120 fps 5K, 4.5K 

1-150 fps 4K

1-200 fps 3K 

1-300 fps 2K

Not sure how you guys are reading it?

 

[Brian Merlen]

Ketch can you please do that test for Epic as well? What program do you use in post to slow it down, twixtor?​

 

[Björn Benckert]

Remember that is not just how many frames per second can it shoot, but how will it hold up on a 4K scan, or upscale, and that is why I prefer to shoot as high rez as possible given maximum frame rates allowed with less compression as possible, and then slow it down in post, but while the naked eye can not see much a of a difference on HD, I ned and ail test it with 4K finish to make final decision on how to go about it when need asks for it.

At the end is also extremely important how the files handle Post work, and nothing less the RAW will do the job well in my experience, additionally not every Raw files handles Post in the same way, were I have found that the RED RAW files do handle extremely well, even under heavy Post work.

That works... as long as it works. Basically all those motion estimate timewarp tools will compute to a sertain level, it could actually be hairs crossing in the frame and such that just do not do well with such treatment... and there will be shots that works just fine. The thing is that is really hard to judge what will work and what will not. So for that reason I would never promise a client that the it actually will work...

but I agree when things do not move much in frame and such then it's much nicer to shoot a 5k pass and then use cinespeed or such. But I would allways shoot at the wanted speed / lower res for backup. Just to have when shit fails to compute.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Ketch can you please do that test for Epic as well? What program do you use in post to slow it down, twixtor?​

Cinespeed or Twixtor, but will not be able to do it on Epic MX, only Epic Dragon at 6k, as that is what interests me for my next series of projects.

That works... as long as it works. Basically all those motion estimate timewarp tools will compute to a sertain level, it could actually be hairs crossing in the frame and such that just do not do well with such treatment... and there will be shots that works just fine. The thing is that is really hard to judge what will work and what will not. So for that reason I would never promise a client that the it actually will work...

but I agree when things do not move much in frame and such then it's much nicer to shoot a 5k pass and then use cinespeed or such. But I would allways shoot at the wanted speed / lower res for backup. Just to have when shit fails to compute.

Indeed Björn, and that is why I do always also shoot at the highest closest speed possible, and in fact most times while testing we'll do that at various resolution and various speeds, as to give Post the best chance to figure things out, once we know what works and what doesn't, then it can be replicated to those type of shoots, IE, Girl moving her hair fast, Dress, clothes type moving in the wind, cars spinning wheels, galloping Horses and so on.

But this will be a comprehensive test that we'll do in time in a proper set up as to insure the fidelity of each test, and have data that can reproduce results with good consistency.

 

[vincent kardasik]

Cinespeed or Twixtor, but will not be able to do it on Epic MX, only Epic Dragon at 6k, as that is what interests me for my next series of projects.

Sorry to hijack the thread but what is Cinespeed? Can't find anything about it on Google...