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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon misconceptions and clarification...

I disagree Brant pretty much in your entire statement, as the Industry it is pretty much divided by those that do use them and those that don't, those shooting Alexa simply have no choice, and those shooting RAW most of them don't use them, while some do use them for the reasons posted in my original post about this, fact is that I can have just about any look I want, art exception of very few, in Post just about anything done baked in camera, and the only true exception is for the Polarizer, as you can not rally replicate it's particular effect, especially in the Circular Rotating Polarizer, all else, with time and money can be done in post.
 
I said "pretty much". I do not think it's half. And if someone made a $30,000 Alexa, it would be fewer still. But my primary point is that if you want that look (say, Skyfall, Life of Pi), and maybe you personally don't, but if you or someone paying you to shoot like that aesthetic, they aren't going to want to pay for it to be achieved in DI if it can be captured on the sensor. Further, it really cannot be fully achieved in DI anyway.
 
The good thing at the end of he day is that the more choices the better, so that any given job can choose the tool that best fits that job, I have found mine, know how to use it and how not to use it, and I will enforce it so, since I fortunately don't depend on jobs for bread, and if I don't like the project or what the clients expects of me, I simply refuse the job as I have done many times, and I content with just few jobs that go the way I want, as they can also be used in representation of whom I am and what I like and how I work.


But knowing that I am but a rare case, were I came in to this industry to make my own Movies not to work for others, I understand the need for Baked IN Camera Images, and lower rez capture, I just completely disagree with it... ;)
 
Jannard said:
This is one thing we apparently have in common. It drives me crazy to wait. Being late is the most discomforting thing I can think of. The past year has been hell for me. Truly. The only thing I can say is that when it is finally done... you tend to forget how long you waited. Mercifully...

Jim
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Please take the word "late" out of the vernacular when talking RED.
It has to be one of the most difficult things, actually a curse, for you to be patient as the execution of delivering the technology catches up with what you know is possible.
Then again, each time you deliver, you have set the goal posts higher for what is to come.

While others are just recently embracing 4K, the Dragon comes with the promise to redefine digital image capture that leap frogs anything else out there. That is not "late".

What RED continues to bring to the industry pushes the edge of the envelope where it has never been before.
We all benefit by your vision and the team you brought together to make it a reality.
It is, as I have mentioned before, something to be very proud of.
 
Question for Jim: Will you do more shoots yourself now that Dragon is done? If I were in your shoes, I have to think part of what drove me would be a desire not just to create the best tool, but the creative possibilities of using it. You've got more experience behind the camera than a large number of RedUsers, and a clear respect for art beyond entrepreneurialism. Will you take some time to enjoy the fruit of your labors?
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
I understand the need for Baked IN Camera Images,..., I just completely disagree with it... ;)
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Do you also dissagree with the quality difference of a piano and a syntheziser? Looks done optically looks different, more organic, and less synthetic then digital post filters...
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Do you also dissagree with the quality difference of a piano and a syntheziser? Looks done optically looks different, more organic, and less synthetic then digital post filters...
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Well, pianos are terrible at filter sweeps.

Joking aside, there are some musicians, audio engineers and music producers who prefer, in some instances, to print effects rather than record clean and add them later. Sometimes it just feels, looks or sounds better on the front end.

It seems like a cop-out answer but it really does just depend on the situation and individual tastes.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
The only attraction to IN camera Baking filters such as the Low Pass LowCon filter, are for those that want immediate results off the camera, and those that don't want to do the leg work or do not know out to, or do not want to pay some one to do, or do not have the time to spend doing or just don''t care to. (snip)
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First of all I might say the "major" attraction rather than the "only" attraction of putting a low-con filter in the OLPF stack is getting immediate results. Some might prefer that look as a matter of taste and if RED chooses to offer a filter for mounting in front of the sensor I'd probably put one in my bag of tricks. That said, I'd much rather use the filter tray in the mattebox to select just the right effect for each shot.

Optical filtration, digital processing, lens selection, etc are all parts of the toolkit - what I consider different today than a decade ago is the digital processing sophistication expands options - but there are still some things better done optically, no argument there.

BTW, for those folks calling out Alexa movies as examples, does anyone really think those flicks weren't expertly massaged in DI?

Cheers - #19
 
I really can't wait to upgrade! Thank you Jim, Jarred, and the whole RED team!
 
While I will continue to drill the point that certain effects are better achieved, or only achieved, in the optical path and not in post, and halation/highlight rolloff is certainly one of those, I have never felt RED had anything to worry about in relation to the Alexa image. As Evin said, the Alexa image is boring, syrupy sweet and creamy, and many a time, whatever color cast dominates the highlights sort of permeates the tone of the whole image. The MX maybe is a little more difficult to mold and stretch when it comes to skin tones, but it produces a far better image in every other aspect.

And speaking of skin tones, I think the paragon right now has to be the F65 and not the Alexa, take a look at the BluRay of "Oblivion" for some wonderful skin tones with color depth and texture to them, very, very organic. That camera, as of now, has the best color rendition and accuracy out there, so I'm truly hoping the Dragon will take that mantle from it soon.
 
I love the Epic look. The directors I show the pictrure of the Epic loves it.

I choose a tool for the look it has.

RED, please, don't change anything on it's look.

Keep changing the industry.

I'm grateful to RED, every day I shoot an Epic. Those last months, I've shot a lot with Epic.

It's like if I would need the Dragon update in 2 or 3 years...

Is this to be Fanboy? So be it!

Pat
 
At least on this we are exactly the same.:)
Thank you Man.
Your passion inspires.
Glad to be on the boat with all this RED community.
Cheers from Brasil

Jannard said:
This is one thing we apparently have in common. It drives me crazy to wait. Being late is the most discomforting thing I can think of. The past year has been hell for me. Truly. The only thing I can say is that when it is finally done... you tend to forget how long you waited. Mercifully...

Jim
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Fan boy... reaally?
Shooting right now @ 5K my little girl sleeping.
The only light available is the abatjour. Side handle, Volt, 50mm T-1.2 Canon, EVF... Gorgeous.
Really love this setup, really love this little but HUGE thing.
Thanks RED again.
Thanks Jim again.
Fan Boy? Me?
Don't give a shit.

Already bought my dragon t-shirt and waiting for the sun.
 
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