Dragon Lens Coverage Information

[Sulekh Suman]

Phil,

Great work with the lenses. It will be nice to see coverage information for Zeiss, Cooke, Hawk and Primo Anamorphics once 6K Ana is added to the build.

Thanks,
Sulekh

 

[Phil Holland]

Phil,

Great work with the lenses. It will be nice to see coverage information for Zeiss, Cooke, Hawk and Primo Anamorphics once 6K Ana is added to the build.

They all cover and work "as intended" as the 1.22:1 2X 6K ANA mode is within coverage of these lenses.

 

[Kemalettin Sert]

This might be stupid question have you tested 15mm Zeiss on Dragon?

 

[PatrickFaith]

Thank you Trevor. It's been an interesting adventure
Today I took a closer look at the Leica Summicron-C Primes. All of them. Additionally I was itching to get a look at what Leica M series still lenses would be compatible now that the sensor box/bushing area has been redesigned on Dragon. When I first saw that new design a bit ago I knew immediately more M glass would fit in ….

Now the Leica M series lenses are a bit interesting. Truthfully they were designed for a different type of imaging plane/technology. However, optically most of them look fantastic on Dragon. The new Dragon sensor box/bushing area allows for the lenses as wide as the Summilux-M 24mm f/1.4 and 35mm f/1.4 to be attached. Which is new. And they look great! Everything more telephoto from there looks good too.

A lens to look out for would be the Summilux-M 21mm f/1.4. The retrofocus design isn't ideal and you'll notice a hit in image quality. Again, this glass wasn't designed for this system. However, 24mm and up you have an extremely compact system. (I'm looking at you octocopter and lightweight gimbal peeps)

Man this is great news, I love the M glass but didn't go down that path because the wide lenses wouldn't fit. I didn't see it announced that the sensor box was redesigned to use the wide Leica glass, man that is really great news which needs to be highlighted ( it's all these subtle changes to the dragon that really impresses me). Phil, as always, I appreciate the work.

 

[Jarred Land]

You are right... I probably should of announced that at some point. I love the Leica-M lenses... and it was one of those selfish personal changes that I forgot to mention. It also has the side benefit of fitting some of those longer rear angenieux and other zooms out there as well.

 

[Tom Lowe]

How is Canon 30-300 at 6K HD?

 

[Bryan Moore]

We had some vignetting but Im not sure if it was the lens or the Ball on the wescam. Will need to check.

 

[Michael J Brennan]

+1 for fuji premier range.


Mike Brennan

 

[Phil Holland]

You are right... I probably should of announced that at some point. I love the Leica-M lenses... and it was one of those selfish personal changes that I forgot to mention. It also has the side benefit of fitting some of those longer rear angenieux and other zooms out there as well.

Attaching some of those Angenieux beasts is the epitome of knowing fear! There's that brief moment of "is this thing going to fit?!" that is intense.

This might be stupid question have you tested 15mm Zeiss on Dragon?

Should cover and work as intended! Just shot with an old 14mm and it looks great and is extremely wide.

How is Canon 30-300 at 6K HD?

Here you go Tom:



Green is 5.5K HD with minor vignette that improves as the iris is closed. At 85mm your'e in the clear FF, I'd say around 65/75mm you'd be real safe at 6K HD.

 

[Michael J Brennan]

Thanks Phil,

Specs on the new Angeniuex DP 25-250
"The lens has been designed with a complex focus group for minimal breathing and opens at T:3.5 from 25mm to 250mm constant. It fully covers the Epic M-X sensor and covers the Epic Dragon sensor on all formats below 6k plus the 6k HD format."


Assuming the DP 25-250 vignettes at 6k there are only six zooms on this list that are totally vignette free throughout their zoom and aperture range at 6K FF?
The only long zoom vignette free is the Angeniuex 28-340?



Mike Brennan
DP
Melbourne

 

[Tom Lowe]

is there any Dragon information on Angie 28-240?

http://www.angenieux.com/zoom-lenses/cinema-portfolio/optimo-28-340.htm

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Angenieux 28-240mm zoom with its image coverage for S35+ of 31.4mm diagonal means is NOT able to cover Dragon's 6K image circle of 34.52mm (diagonal).

But it will work fine with 5.5K resolution size that is actually Epic's X & Scarlet's X image circle of 31.4mm (diagonal).

Hope this helps.

 

[Troy Bakewell]

Thanks Phil for all of your work.

Any news on the new set of the Sony primes?

 

[Michael Lindsay]

Thank you Phil

Your contributions are really fantastic for this forum!

Michael

 

[Tom Lowe]

Both the 12mm and 14mm MPs are usable on Dragon at 6K HD.


14mm MP at 6K HD

12mm MP at 6K HD

Both lenses vignette at 6K WS and 6K full sensor, though the 12mm vignettes worse.

 

[C.H.Haskell]

You are right... I probably should of announced that at some point. I love the Leica-M lenses... and it was one of those selfish personal changes that I forgot to mention. It also has the side benefit of fitting some of those longer rear angenieux and other zooms out there as well.

Sorry to Echo if this has already been mentioned, but the dragon will accept the wider M lenses now? Thats good news.

 

[Phil Holland]

Sorry to Echo if this has already been mentioned, but the dragon will accept the wider M lenses now? Thats good news.

Yes. Check out the first post it's all in there. Optically speaking the Summilux-M 24mm f/1.4 looks good. The 21mm fits, but is a bit soft due to it's retrofocus design.

 

[Nick Morrison]

Both the 12mm and 14mm MPs are usable on Dragon at 6K HD.

Wow. These lenses are beasts. Zeiss deserves major kudos for thinking WAY AHEAD. Considering a number of the new Leica C wides only cover 5.5k, that the MP's cover 6K HD from 12mm up is a real achievement.

Also, don't forget Ultraprimes cover Dragon from 16mm up (with slight vignette, per Phil).

Zeiss has been smart. Who else has a complete set of primes that cover Dragon so well?

 

[Phil Holland]

Wow. These lenses are beasts. Zeiss deserves major kudos for thinking WAY AHEAD. Considering a number of the new Leica C wides only cover 5.5k, that the MP's cover 6K HD from 12mm up is a real achievement.

Also, don't forget Ultraprimes cover Dragon from 16mm up (with slight vignette, per Phil).

Zeiss has been smart. Who else has a complete set of primes that cover Dragon so well?

Depends on many factors. Most of my motion work gets delivered in 2.40:1, 1.85:1, or 1.78:1. All my glass covers when I look at it this way Only my 18mm and 25mm have any real issues at 6K FF.

 

[Nick Morrison]

Depends on many factors. Most of my motion work gets delivered in 2.40:1, 1.85:1, or 1.78:1. All my glass covers when I look at it this way Only my 18mm and 25mm have any real issues at 6K FF.

Sounds like your Schneiders and the Leica C's may work ok then for 6K HD?