Dragon for Rent

[jacob.schwarz]

Anyone in the LA area have a dragon to rent for Nov 25-26? I know there aren't a lot in the wild if any. But thought i would reach out and ask.

 

[Phil Holland]

I have a feeling that you might be able to find a couple out there this week here in LA. The real question is will you be able to rent them or are they already booked!

Not mine yet (and I'm going insane while waiting), but I hear whispers that storks are dropping a few off.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

On top of what Phil said...

Do remember Jacob, that not every one is going too just Rent it out, I know we would not do that with Dragon M8, and already turned down couple of big jobs because of it, and most likely neither would Phil, as this initially will need to go with the accompany of oneself or a trusted Pro, for Tech support, hence more then a rental would be some kind of Hire situation with some strings attached...

The concern here is that if the camera gets stolen, then there will be no immediate replacement for it at the beginning, and remaining without Dragon after having waited for so long for it would SUCK BIG TIME... At list for me, and I am not tabling about loss of rental fees here, but then again, I am not a renter, nor do I inter to be one.

At list, as I said, for us with Dragon M8, if and when was to go out when ready, it would not go as a strait rental on its on, that is all.

 

[Phil Holland]

On top of what Phil said...

Do remember Jacob, that no one is going too just Rent it out, (or at list they shouldn't right now) I know we would not do that with Dragon M8, and already turned down couple of big jobs because of it, and most likely neither would Phil, as this initially will need to go with the accompany of oneself or a trusted Pro, for Tech support, hence more then a rental would be some kind of Hire situation with some strings attached...

At list, as I said, for us with Dragon M8, if and when was to go out when ready, it would not go as a strait rental on its on.

Heh. When I get mine I'll likely go out on it's first few jobs if I'm not the shooter that's for sure.

I don't tend to rent my gear out, but I do tend to go out with my Epic and help inform folks how to get the best image sometimes. Just depends.

Dragon is production ready now. For the lucky few who are getting their cameras this month and next month I'd have no problem letting them play in the street without adult supervision.

 

[Gunleik Groven]

My guess is that people will need to test the limits of the camera a bit themselves to get comfortable with the new playroom. And those initially renting a camera would

a) be pretty competent
b) be pretty resourceful
c) be amongst those who asks for support, rather than getting a bad result.

But I think if people did not feel free to use, there would be little point in renting...

just my 2c, but wadda I know?

Best

G

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Heh. When I get mine I'll likely go out on it's first few jobs if I'm not the shooter that's for sure.

I don't tend to rent my gear out, but I do tend to go out with my Epic and help inform folks how to get the best image sometimes. Just depends.

Dragon is production ready now. For the lucky few who are getting their cameras this month and next month I'd have no problem letting them play in the street without adult supervision.

Yeah, I did not meant it as to sound as if I was talking about Dragon not been production ready...

But exactly as you said it... There is no way that any one in the right mind will let his Dragon out of site...

I know that I would not be renting out Dragon M8, as we never did when it was MX 8...

However We could definitely consider and we are in fact currently considering few Huge jobs, if the agreement is made were we go with the camera in any position as to insure the end user, which in this particular cases none of them ever worked with the RED Epic, get the absolute best out of the Dragon/Motion mount experience.

 

[Jeremy Torrie]

This sounds a bit like a dichotomy -one the one hand people have been saying Dragon is virtually impossible to break given it's highlight and low light latitude, but on the other -no way, the camera can't go out unless I'm paid to babysit? Not a bad gig if you can get it I suppose, but I certainly will not stand in the way of those who want to kick the tires or make an offer for rental.

Naturally a certificate of insurance will be provided -as all professionals know the procedure. In the event of pre pre-production then we would use our own insurance to cover off the exposure. Is that risky? I don't think so...I'd like to think union members up here are professionals and thus excited about the opportunity rather than want to do anything destructive.

I hope we will get our Epics upgraded very soon since we signed up right away (20th and 21st on the Harcharan list). That said, I trust and respect those DP's who would want to test out Dragon. We are a heavy Alexa town, and to be able to put Dragons and Motion Mounts in their hands means they will have the latest incarnation of Red DSMC's. Enabling them to play is a great opportunity to grow the Red brand....and thus is probably one of the reasons why Red has been slow to release the hounds (aside from a lack of ASIC's available). They know they have a great product and want to ensure it's bullet proof out of the gate.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

This sounds a bit like a dichotomy -one the one hand people have been saying Dragon is virtually impossible to break given it's highlight and low light latitude, but on the other -no way, the camera can't go out unless I'm paid to babysit? Not a bad gig if you can get it I suppose, but I certainly will not stand in the way of those who want to kick the tires or make an offer for rental.

Jeremy,

every one here knows how attached we are to M8, and the fact that I, we, have never rented pout the camera, in fact, ashen it when in it only had exactly 28 hrs of running tie on the MX sensor, M8 is our baby, only used personally by Steve and I.

That is why I said that there is on way that Dragon M8 will go out as a strait rental.

And I know many will do the same as they fill exactly as I do, Insurance or not, make son difference, when you now have to wait for pay out and been without a Dragon for how knows a long...

Nothing to do with the camera functions properly or not, a sit does, it is now production ready, and that means ready to go and do what ever you woful do with an Epic MX!!

 

[Daniel Stilling]

A camera is a camera is a camera. If someone is a professional, can get me a COI and pays the rate, you can take my camera, if it's available. MX, Dragon or whatever I have. Just tools, not a fragile baby that needs adult supervision.
As a matter of fact, if I was to rent a camera for myself, and the person providing the camera told me I need to hire him to babysit, I would 1st think that they don't know how the business works and have no experience, and 2nd I would be fairly offended, as that attitude implies that I don't know what I'm doing.

 

[Matthew Scott]

This sounds a bit like a dichotomy -one the one hand people have been saying Dragon is virtually impossible to break given it's highlight and low light latitude, but on the other -no way, the camera can't go out unless I'm paid to babysit? Not a bad gig if you can get it I suppose, but I certainly will not stand in the way of those who want to kick the tires or make an offer for rental.

Naturally a certificate of insurance will be provided -as all professionals know the procedure. In the event of pre pre-production then we would use our own insurance to cover off the exposure. Is that risky? I don't think so...I'd like to think union members up here are professionals and thus excited about the opportunity rather than want to do anything destructive.

I hope we will get our Epics upgraded very soon since we signed up right away (20th and 21st on the Harcharan list). That said, I trust and respect those DP's who would want to test out Dragon. We are a heavy Alexa town, and to be able to put Dragons and Motion Mounts in their hands means they will have the latest incarnation of Red DSMC's. Enabling them to play is a great opportunity to grow the Red brand....and thus is probably one of the reasons why Red has been slow to release the hounds (aside from a lack of ASIC's available). They know they have a great product and want to ensure it's bullet proof out of the gate.

You basically spoke my mind, but with good spelling and and better grammar. Cheers

 

[Jack Shanahan]

A camera is a camera is a camera. If someone is a professional, can get me a COI and pays the rate, you can take my camera, if it's available. MX, Dragon or whatever I have. Just tools, not a fragile baby that needs adult supervision.
As a matter of fact, if I was to rent a camera for myself, and the person providing the camera told me I need to hire him to babysit, I would 1st think that they don't know how the business works and have no experience, and 2nd I would be fairly offended, as that attitude implies that I don't know what I'm doing.

totally agree

 

[Ketch Rossi]

A camera is a camera is a camera. If someone is a professional, can get me a COI and pays the rate, you can take my camera, if it's available. MX, Dragon or whatever I have. Just tools, not a fragile baby that needs adult supervision.
As a matter of fact, if I was to rent a camera for myself, and the person providing the camera told me I need to hire him to babysit, I would 1st think that they don't know how the business works and have no experience, and 2nd I would be fairly offended, as that attitude implies that I don't know what I'm doing.

Not every one that has a camera thinks the same Daniel, and I for one do not certainly think so for M8, more so with Dragon M8!!

When a camera is readily available, it is a different story, I had 6 cameras at one point, and all of them but M8 went out all by them very selves... But not M8.

And that is all that I am saying, and there are others out there, that do fill the same, which they do not have several cameras but only the one, and while of course could be nice to take advantage of a given Rental Job opportunity in the early days of Dragon, when only so few are available, people that want to rent them out, might have to deal with some one baby seating their camera,a or they can just shoot it on MX...

Not a question of not knowing how the industry works, just simply putting down rules... Those that like them will take the deal, those that don't won't, as simple as that really.

If a Dragon camera gets stolen on set or something, good luck having it replaced as fast as you would with an MX sensor one.

 

[Brian Merlen]

If I had one it would already be living at the rental house (where my Epic lives 247). Sure I love my Red in a somewhat strange way, but unfortunately I need to pimp her out for money LOL!

 

[Ketch Rossi]

completely understand Brian,

but I am no tin the rental business, and I said what I said, for myself and those like myself into the same poison, were even so not in the rental business, opportunity could arise to have the camera hired, and there for conditions would apply in such a situation.

If Dragon was on a 2/3 days delivery for immediate replacement that would be an other story, and I am not just talking abut get paid while it gets replaced as with having the renter forced to get a loss of income insurance till camera is replaced should something happen to it, but because of wonting to also shoot the hell out of it too.

That is all, and any ways, no problem, here really, this that do not agree or see were I am coming from, they will not be doing business with me or those that see like me, simple really...

 

[Clint Lealos]

Do remember Jacob, that no one is going too just Rent it out, (or at list they shouldn't right now)...

I know English isn't your first language Ketch, so I thought I'd point something out for you. The words "no one" and "shouldn't" are the culprits here. Maybe you don't realize that by using those words it sounds like you are speaking from authority about what "everyone should" do. If you want to speak only for yourself, you should have left that sentence out of your post or re-worded it. People who are going to immediately rent out their Dragon took offense to you implying they were not wise to rent out their camera. It sounds as if you are judging them when you write it the way you did. I hope that clears it up as I'm sure its just a matter of misunderstanding. I'm just jealous all you guys are getting Dragons Peace.

 

[Daniel Stilling]

Just don't assume everyone thinks and acts like you:

But exactly as you said it... There is no way that any one in the right mind will let his Dragon out of site...

On top of what Phil said...

Do remember Jacob, that no one is going too just Rent it out, (or at list they shouldn't right now)

 

[Ketch Rossi]

I know English isn't your first language Ketch, so I thought I'd point something out for you. The words "no one" and "shouldn't" are the culprits here. Maybe you don't realize that by using those words it sounds like you are speaking from authority about what "everyone should" do. If you want to speak only for yourself, you should have left that sentence out of your post or re-worded it. People who are going to immediately rent out their Dragon took offense to you implying they were not wise to rent out their camera. It sounds as if you are judging them when you write it the way you did. I hope that clears it up as I'm sure its just a matter of misunderstanding. I'm just jealous all you guys are getting Dragons Peace.

He he, thanks Clint!!

No, I do not mean what it seems...

What I mean, is not as an absolute, it is for me, but not mean for any one else, meaning, that I would not rent out as a start rental, as I am not a Rental, and M8 is the sonly camera left, so even if a Job was to come out, and could sound interesting M8 would not go out unless accompany by me or some on eI trust to baby seat the camera at all times.

I also want to say again, that what I wrote here is to be understood as an exception, and not the norm, we all know very well the norm here, but we also know that the first cameras to go out have especial meaning to some of us, and for this insurance coverage, or the understood care of an other professional , means absolutely nothing, we al lasso know too well how camera and gear in general is treated as on any set, so unless was for some one known then the prior said would apply.

When rental companies get Dragon in numbers, then is a different story, and those not understanding how I and others like me fill about it, can rent strait from them, but if they were to do business with myself or any one that like myself thinks in the same lines, then they'll have to respect how we fill about it, or simply just not do business with us.

Any ways, I am running a very high fever, so I should not even have started posting in here about it...

But I mean NO disrespect to any one in here, as I respect all , professionals and none alike, just wanted to express a simple loin of view on were I stand, and were also I know others I have been in contact with stand with this.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Just don't assume everyone thinks and acts like you:

No of course, not Daniel, wrong choice of words.

Not intending to speak for every one of course. Edited prior.

 

[John Marchant]

For the record, our Epic Dragon is available for rental in the normal way inside the EU. The only challenge is my calendar, but you'd be surprised.

Outside the EU it needs to travel accompanied on carnet, so it often makes sense that it does so under supervision from my company.

If you're worried about the camera as a renter, you probably have the wrong insurance. The right insurance will see you right financially under any circumstances, but you probably don't want to trade premiums with me

 

[Stephen Williams]

Jeremy,
every one here knows how attached we are to M8, and the fact that I, we, have never rented pout the camera, in fact, ashen it when in it only had exactly 28 hrs of running tie on the MX sensor, M8 is our baby, only used personally by Steve and I.
!

If Dragon was on a 2/3 days delivery for immediate replacement that would be an other story, and I am not just talking abut get paid while it gets replaced as with having the renter forced to get a loss of income insurance till camera is replaced should something happen to it, but because of wonting to also shoot the hell out of it too.

With only 28 hours of use on a camera that is couple of years old, It does not seem a real issue if you have to wait to get a replacement, I really don't understand this.