Double Dragon....

[Pawel Achtel]

Nice one Pawel. That indeed is a dragon and good lighting as well.

Is this a different one that the shot you posted on the now closed BB?

Many thanks, Will. Not sure but there are some 5k frame grabs here: http://achtel.com/DeepX/images.htm

It's not so much the lighting, but a combination of ambient conditions, artificial lighting, filters and underwater colour science. If you were underwater on that day, the visibility was about 5-7m and we had algal bloom muck. Most u/w shooters wouldn't bother turning the camera on.

What I do know is that Jarred will have hell of the time exceeding the sharpness and contrast of my 5k Dragon with his 6k Lizard ...unless I can borrow his camera for a weekend

Gone are the days when underwater footage and stills were significantly softer than those on land.

 

[Mark Toia]

long in the tooth? wow.

I dont think some people really understand / appreciate just what the Rocket does.. and how much it really should cost..

Just please don't tell me I have to buy another one to render out the dragon data... Someone just spooked me on another thread... (which got conveniently taken down) I'm just hoping he was talking crap...

Its inevitable... but it's not a priority right now. It wont really be a replacement, The Turbo Rocket is going to be more for the power mongers out there.. insane speeds with some expensive horsepower. Current Rocket will work just fine, and you can double current Rocket up if you want to go even faster.

Ok... after searching this thread, I found it... Great.. So Dragon can live with the current Rocket card.. good ! Thank you !
TURBO ROCKET is for.... more horse power ! ... which will probably help with these (not so fast) 4x speed thunderbolt cases that are floating around.
If someone out there can make a 8x speed or even better a 12x speed Thunderbolt case.. Ill pay you want you want. Seriously.

I'm just hankering for the day, when I don't need to have a Video card like RED Rocket to render / transcode anything...
Just drop into my R3D into a time line, edit, grade and export out real time...

Oh that would be a dream come true.

 

[Maik Müller]

Just please don't tell me I have to buy another one to render out the dragon data... Someone just spooked me on another thread... (which got conveniently taken down) I'm just hoping he was talking crap...

Hehe, yeah, i should have mentioned the fact that old rockets will still work, didn't want to make anyone freak out.

 

[Ivan Kovax]

I'm just hankering for the day, when I don't need to have a Video card like RED Rocket to render / transcode anything...
Just drop into my R3D into a time line, edit, grade and export out real time...

Oh that would be a dream come true.

I just did pretty close to that on my MBPr with cs6 for a Rolex commercial... we are nearly there now, mate

 

[Mark Toia]

I just did pretty close to that on my MBPr with cs6 for a Rolex commercial... we are nearly there now, mate

Im doing it as well... but defiantly not getting real time rendering. You'll have to tell me how your getting it.

Hey on a side note... how the hell do you get monitor support from Premier out to a HDMI or SDI via a black magic extreme... Can't get it working at all.

 

[Ivan Kovax]

Im doing it as well... but defiantly not getting real time rendering. You'll have to tell me how your getting it.

Hey on a side note... how the hell do you get monitor support from Premier out to a HDMI or SDI via a black magic extreme... Can't get it working at all.

What are you rendering to? For starters, disable power saving mode in settings, then in premiere make sure you use CUDA acceleration, not open CL. Go via a raided usb3 drive or thunderbolt... you should get realtime editing at 1/4 resolution.

Rendering will be about 1/2 realtime which qualifies as pretty close for me Pardon my flexible use of words. lol. But I have been pretty stoked with the performace... even so, the feature I just shot is gonna be a different matter altogether. We are editing on pimped out Hackintosh Pros. The 4K intermediate is gonna be the killer. We are gonna deal with that hurdle when we come to it. Any suggestions there would be appreciated

HDMI? I have been able to get a mirrored set up going with two monitors as well as side by side directly from the HDMI out... sorry not certain about the Black Magic extreme!

Hmn...

 

[Nikhil Kamkolkar]

A while back when Jim asked about the impact of REDcode, I had said that REDcode is the REAL product RED is selling. Not focusing on the post pipeline goes against that concept. Guess I was wrong re: what I had said.

I was really, really, really hoping for a MASSIVE post related announcement along with Dragon that'd render all the post angst irrelevant.

Looks like I'm gonna be stuck with an imperfect and inefficient post pipeline and so much time wasted. Fact of life today is you are always working with multiple packages. My list includes AVID, RCX, Adobe Products, SynthEyes, Cinema 4D, Resolve, etc... and transcoding is a fact of life as you need to jump between packages.

Guess we gotta wait for a third party to pick up the slack now. Ugh.

 

[Maz Mawlawi]

Maybe the amount of workflow concern in this thread will hopefully show that there need to be a better more efficient and cheaper way to deal with render times for everybody. I wish RED would partner with Nividia to optimize their chips and enable GPU debayering.

 

[Kalulu Ngilo]

Question to J&J, Is it safe to assume that the Scarlet will get a firmware upgrade to 5K[1-30FPS]... maybe 60Fps. Or is it hardware requirement still?

 

[Mike P.]

Question to J&J, Is it safe to assume that the Scarlet will get a firmware upgrade to 5K[1-30FPS]... maybe 60Fps. Or is it hardware requirement still?

I mean, I'm all for free upgrades and pushing things, but what has lead you to believe it's 'safe to assume' a firmware update will magically double the Scarlet's performance? 4.5k/25fps WS, seems plausible... 5k/25fps ANA (3240x2700) maybe possible too... But FF5k at 30fps (or "maybe 60")? That doesn't seem grounded in reality given the info out there... unless you're talking about after being upgraded to Dragon (if so, the Dragon upgrade will bring you to an Epic-Dragon, there is no Scarlet-Dragon stop-gap any more.)

 

[Will Keir]

Unfortunately you are one of the few people that believe in the Epic underwater. I've been doing research and talking with skilled folks, DPs, and they tend to steer me toward the 5d. That, as far as sharp images are concerned, shooting underwater, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a shot on 5d or on Epic.. I'll test for myself soon enough. May be I'll organize a test of the two early summer. Certainly for pulling stills alone, Epic has the advantage.

Gone are the days when underwater footage and stills were significantly softer than those on land.

 

[Zeb B]

Why not shoot RED underwater? Isn't the meta WB the key to post color grading? Why the 5D - cost?

 

[Will Keir]

It's about sharpest but I find it hard to believe, so I'll be testing for myself.

Why not shoot RED underwater? Isn't the meta WB the key to post color grading? Why the 5D - cost?

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Until recently, the limitation of shooting digital stills or motion picture underwater was in the optics, not in the recording format.

In fact, large sensors made the problem much worse due to introduction of severe image plane curvature that grows exponentially with imager size.

This has been overcome by adapting submersible lenses of modern retro focus design and tight manufacturing tolerances, mainly Nikonos 15mm, but also other focal lengths and RS range.

Despite enormous challenges to out-resolve the Epic 5k sensor, we have managed to achieve it! No IMAX, no DSLR, no any other underwater rig in any format is able to produce anywhere near detailed, high contrast or sharper images as those lenses on RED Epic.

But, due to their design, it is only possible to mount them on the RED Epic! It was a small but hugely significant forethought of RED Epic design to provide exchangeable lens mount and one that would allow lenses with relatively short back focal distance to be mounted on it. This feature alone made Red Epic by far the most capable underwater camera ever developed, IMAX included. In fact, the results are an order of a magnitude better than those shot on 70mm film....all to exchangeable mount and, in turn, an ability to use some incredibly good underwater optics.

But, we went much further than that. I won't reveal some of the trade secrets here other than saying that there is much more in me saying that Jarred will have hell of the time matching our 5k Dragon with a 6k reptile

You can't easily mount submersible lenses on a DSLRs, which leaves all non-Epic setups crippled by having to put perfectly good and capable land lenses behind an underwater port that effectively decimates the quality of the images well below high definition levels.

And, because submersible lenses cover full 36 x 24mm frame I can only imagine what are we going to get with the Dragon sensor. It's going to be NUTS!

Will, it is not the matter of "believing". As a skeptical scientist I don't believe anyone, particularly experienced operators and DPs, and I don't have my own "beliefs" either. Instead, I know. This is because I measured it, quantified it and compared in controlled lab conditions.

Jarred, I look forward to the first opportunity to shoot the real Dragon with the Dragon as soon as you are ready

The reptile looks very good, but real dragon will be bonkers!

 

[Yang Liu]

The Sony 4K display is really great. Add the RED projector to the mix and you have several really good 4K display options.

BTW... the RED Projector is capable of 4k 3D at 120fps simultaneous each eye.

4K in the home is now. God love those that mastered in 1080P.


Jim

JIM, is it a good option to color grading on Red Laser Projector as well? Is it for home or for professional post house?

 

[George Nelson]

What was the RedCode compression ratio on these screen shots? The images look damn clean.

 

[harjotsingh]

wow amazing job guys! keep it up!

 

[Rick Augustus]

Simply AMAZING... I'm so happy I now own a RED camera.

 

[Rogelio Salinas]

This was shot at 6000 x 3000 ( 2:1 )

Full sensor is 6144 x 3160

I love 2:1 ratio. I wish it would become a more common and accepted aspect ratio. It's just perfect. Not too wide, not too narrow. Just right. :yesnod:

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

I love 2:1 ratio. I wish it would become a more common and accepted aspect ratio. It's just perfect. Not too wide, not too narrow. Just right. :yesnod:

Amen!

Cheers - #19