Michael Lindsay
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Cooke s7/i test
https://vimeo.com/213668636
This is completley ungraded... and as usual Vimeo is kicking the crap out of the fine detail.
I do need to reprocess at some point as I didn't use the lastest Red colour science.. and I will post a link to that.
Fdtimes has the product details
http://www.fdtimes.com/2017/04/18/cooke-s7i/
I haven't touched any Red setting post shoot. I am going to discuss with Cooke if it is ok to do a proper grade and repost. They obviously are careful about post trickery. They wanted the most honest footage possible and have not interfered with the shots I have used. All errors are mine and there a few optical aritiacts that I left in NOT coming from the lenses. These are due to working very fast, my ND choices and MB positioning. There is also some hints of a familiar OLPF signature for those of you with keen eyes... personally I like them but YMMV.
I don’t normally start threads on this forum but I feel I may have some information relevant to Redusers especially those of us waiting for their VistaVision chips and wondering about what glass to use!
So if people want to ask any questions please ask away and I will do my best to answer them!?… I must apologise in advance that I may be a little slow as I am quite busy at the min.. But I will try to get to everything. Brendan McGinty my partner in equipment will also jump in with his findings.. He shot the stuff with me and spent nearly as much time with the lenses as I did. Charlie, the assitant who helped, may also jump in with his thoughts.
Over the last few years we have been testing different lenses as options for larger format filming. We firmly believe that with bigger sensors, and the more effortless presentation of detail that they allow, our preferences in glass will subtly change. We already felt our priorities change in the move from 4k Red1 to 6k Weapon..
Because of my hunch/theories about big format optics (and the inevitability of big chip next generation cameras) we annoyed Cooke, amongst others, with irksome questions about where are their large format lenses … Serendipity stepped in and just after the BSC show I got the opportunity to have a look at an initial 1st build set of Cooke s7/i.
These lenses cover vista vision+ and are obvious optical partners for Vista Red chips either in a DXL or Weapon body. Also we tested them on a Phantom 65 to look at coverage beyond 40.96mm x 21.60.... so I know they go a bigger than Vista… I believe they will also easily cover the Alexa65 in the smaller 16:9 mode... but not in the Full 2.11 OpenGate.
The lenses available were the 32mm T2, 40mm T2, 50mm T2, 75mm T2, 100mm T2 ….I have not yet had a chance to test the 18mm T2, 25mm T2 or the 135mm T2 as they were not available.... yes they are all T2!
I’d must also thank Sam at RVZ for the use of his 8k Red Vista… Those RVZ guys are very lucky!
and thankyou Jason@love high speed for helping out with the monster Phantom65
We had them for a few days and got very comfortable with them. We ran around London shooting some vistas for a bit... unfortunately we didn’t get great weather but it was clear to us what they are capable of with wide shots. When the sun did show up we bribed my 8 year old daughter and popped to a local park and shot some more daytime shots… We also inc on the back of the edit some crude Bokah shape tests... We have lots of material not in the edits so we have seen them in many difficult siutaions.
I will write in more detail my finding later but for now I will outline my big take away. They are fast modern big format lenses that can deliver loads and loads of detail, albeit in a easy going way. They are also super easy on skin and demonstrate a wrap around Bokeh that is really unusual in a lens that also shows 'infocus' geometry in a modern way. Breathing is well controlled and ergonomics are familiar Cooke! Overall these lenses are very Cooke but also are something new and interesting.
All the lenses are T2 and wide open they are just beautiful.. We shot with the full chip at all times but were often desperate to crop to 2.39 as they feel really great in that aspect ratio... also they foucus close and since you can switch to S35 mode the 75mm which is very close focusing anyway becomes like a macro.
It was exciting to shoot big format spherical... and I only wish Red's chip yeilds would improve fast!
regards
https://vimeo.com/213668636
This is completley ungraded... and as usual Vimeo is kicking the crap out of the fine detail.
I do need to reprocess at some point as I didn't use the lastest Red colour science.. and I will post a link to that.
Fdtimes has the product details
http://www.fdtimes.com/2017/04/18/cooke-s7i/
I haven't touched any Red setting post shoot. I am going to discuss with Cooke if it is ok to do a proper grade and repost. They obviously are careful about post trickery. They wanted the most honest footage possible and have not interfered with the shots I have used. All errors are mine and there a few optical aritiacts that I left in NOT coming from the lenses. These are due to working very fast, my ND choices and MB positioning. There is also some hints of a familiar OLPF signature for those of you with keen eyes... personally I like them but YMMV.
I don’t normally start threads on this forum but I feel I may have some information relevant to Redusers especially those of us waiting for their VistaVision chips and wondering about what glass to use!
So if people want to ask any questions please ask away and I will do my best to answer them!?… I must apologise in advance that I may be a little slow as I am quite busy at the min.. But I will try to get to everything. Brendan McGinty my partner in equipment will also jump in with his findings.. He shot the stuff with me and spent nearly as much time with the lenses as I did. Charlie, the assitant who helped, may also jump in with his thoughts.
Over the last few years we have been testing different lenses as options for larger format filming. We firmly believe that with bigger sensors, and the more effortless presentation of detail that they allow, our preferences in glass will subtly change. We already felt our priorities change in the move from 4k Red1 to 6k Weapon..
Because of my hunch/theories about big format optics (and the inevitability of big chip next generation cameras) we annoyed Cooke, amongst others, with irksome questions about where are their large format lenses … Serendipity stepped in and just after the BSC show I got the opportunity to have a look at an initial 1st build set of Cooke s7/i.
These lenses cover vista vision+ and are obvious optical partners for Vista Red chips either in a DXL or Weapon body. Also we tested them on a Phantom 65 to look at coverage beyond 40.96mm x 21.60.... so I know they go a bigger than Vista… I believe they will also easily cover the Alexa65 in the smaller 16:9 mode... but not in the Full 2.11 OpenGate.
The lenses available were the 32mm T2, 40mm T2, 50mm T2, 75mm T2, 100mm T2 ….I have not yet had a chance to test the 18mm T2, 25mm T2 or the 135mm T2 as they were not available.... yes they are all T2!
I’d must also thank Sam at RVZ for the use of his 8k Red Vista… Those RVZ guys are very lucky!
and thankyou Jason@love high speed for helping out with the monster Phantom65
We had them for a few days and got very comfortable with them. We ran around London shooting some vistas for a bit... unfortunately we didn’t get great weather but it was clear to us what they are capable of with wide shots. When the sun did show up we bribed my 8 year old daughter and popped to a local park and shot some more daytime shots… We also inc on the back of the edit some crude Bokah shape tests... We have lots of material not in the edits so we have seen them in many difficult siutaions.
I will write in more detail my finding later but for now I will outline my big take away. They are fast modern big format lenses that can deliver loads and loads of detail, albeit in a easy going way. They are also super easy on skin and demonstrate a wrap around Bokeh that is really unusual in a lens that also shows 'infocus' geometry in a modern way. Breathing is well controlled and ergonomics are familiar Cooke! Overall these lenses are very Cooke but also are something new and interesting.
All the lenses are T2 and wide open they are just beautiful.. We shot with the full chip at all times but were often desperate to crop to 2.39 as they feel really great in that aspect ratio... also they foucus close and since you can switch to S35 mode the 75mm which is very close focusing anyway becomes like a macro.
It was exciting to shoot big format spherical... and I only wish Red's chip yeilds would improve fast!
regards
