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Celere lenses by Hanse Inno Tech

Bill Totolo said:
Thank you for sharing your results. I picked up a Canon CN-E 30-105 and am happy I did!
Anyone compare it to it's sister lens, the 15.5-47?
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I used one along side the 30-105 a couple of times, match nicely and for me shooting 3 cam proscenium the two lenses overlap in the useful to me 31-33 and 40-45 matched cross shooting and the 24 CN E on the flat camera made a great combo. I am looking for a used one to come up. It does vignette on 6k on the wide end.
 
Hanse Inno Tech GmbH sent us one of their four different Celere HS 36mm uncoated prototypes. Since uncoated lenses aren’t supposed to excel at sharpness or flare resistance, we decided to make a rather unscientific test. This was a run-and-gun shoot with the purpose to test the contre-jour performance and the look of the lens flares. Also, we wanted to enjoy the last days of summer!


Hanse Inno Tech made four different uncoated prototypes of the Celere HS 36mm. Some uncoated lenses, contrary to their name, still do have coatings to protect the glass or to increase the T-stop of the lens. We got the only uncoated version without any coating left on the front element.

Everything was shot at T1.5 except for the underwater sequence which was shot at T16 with an ewa-marine RED housing. On most daylight shots, we used Schneider-Kreuznach CINE ND filters (.9-1.5) with our Bright Tangerine Misfit Atom mattebox.

The film was shown at the Cinec convention where all uncoated lens prototypes were available for comparing them on two identical RED cameras that were hooked into an OSEE XCM240 reference monitor. After getting lots of feedback at Cinec2016, Hanse Inno Tech announced that Type B – which was used to shoot this clip – will go into production and will be available soon. The front element is user replaceable so that you can swap them with the regular “Leica-style” or the upcoming “Cooke-style” front elements.

Send me a pm if you are interested in the R3D files.
 
Bill Totolo said:
Thank you for sharing your results. I picked up a Canon CN-E 30-105 and am happy I did!
Anyone compare it to it's sister lens, the 15.5-47?
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I've owned both for several years. I think the 15.5-47 is more utilitarian and not as pretty, there is some 'mustache' distortion throughout the zoom range which I don't like. That is a combination of pincushion and barrel distortion, visible on a lens projector. You'd only really notice it while shooting grids or lots of straight lines but it is there. The 30-105 has some pincushion distortion, but being a more telephoto lens this is less objectionable. *To be fair, the Angenieux Optimos which these lenses were made to compete against also have a fair bit of distortion.* It is a prettier lens and I try to stay on it if possible unless I need a wider focal length. 30mm is not very wide in Super 35mm, almost a normal lens. However, the 15.5-47 is very wide and the same size/weight/form factor/look which is quite convenient. It is a reasonable trade-off in my opinion. I find it's always good to have a matching lens set if possible, especially for two-camera setups.

In terms of look both lenses prefer warm light, skintones under tungsten always look great while cool daylight loses some saturation and skews a bit magenta. I guess this is due to the coatings. If you want poppy blues and greens, use Zeiss or Fujinon glass instead. Also, the close-focus is exceptional on both lenses, 2' on the long zoom, 20" on the wide zoom which makes a ton of shots possible that you can't get on primes without using diopters, extension tubes, or macro lenses. Not too many primes 85mm+ focus closer than 3'.

The bigger issue which has bugged me after shooting a lot with these lenses is that I find they are just a bit too front-heavy to be comfortable for handheld. I've shot with them on 35mm, F65, F5/55, Red Epic, Alexa, Amira, Alexa Mini, C100/300/500, Blackmagic Ursa Mini, even on a 5D Mk3 with a 1.4x extender, and whatever the rig I always wish I had a prime lens instead. Even though at 4.85lbs the Canons are actually lighter than many primes, the length of the lens plus follow focus, matte box, and AKS out at the end inevitably make the camera more front-heavy than I want. I can't argue with the look of the 30-105 though, other than being too sharp on faces at times. I would have some diffusion ready if you're shooting older talent or someone with skin issues.

The best thing about the lenses is that you can get an aftermarket quick-change lens mount system from several places. I got mine done at Duclos as soon as it was announced and it is great. You can swap between PL, EF, and PV in less than 10 seconds and the back focus stays rock-solid. The Duclos multi-mount system also easily allows you to mount a net on the rear element, which I use all the time. It requires a fraction of the time it would usually take to rear-net a set of primes.
 
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One last piece of advice regarding any lens purchase.

I highly highly recommend anyone spending serious money on lenses spend some time with the lenses before purchasing. Don't buy them based on footage you see online alone.

Really get to know them, understand them, and know their strengths and weaknesses.

This is not a condemnation of the Celere lenses. When ECLAIR comes out, it will explain a lot.

I commend ANYONE trying to build something for our market - it's DIFFICULT AS HELL to make ANYTHING.

Before you go all in on something - just put your hands on it and make sure it's for you.
 
Dan Kanes said:
One last piece of advice regarding any lens purchase.

I highly highly recommend anyone spending serious money on lenses spend some time with the lenses before purchasing. Don't buy them based on footage you see online alone.
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Very good advice Dan. If you can, it's great to buy from a dealer that has a lens projector and can put the exact lenses you are considering up for you to examine. I bought my Canon zooms from Duclos for this reason. Cine lenses are a big investment, it's worth taking the time and prep to make sure you will be getting something you'll be happy with.
 
scott devitte said:
I don't remember it being contrastier and warmer. Standing next to Dan while both were tested we both felt the draw on the len(s) was nice and seemed consistent with the other. But as Dan implies the test will allow closer scrutiny. In your late post you indicate two APOs will cause problems. Is that because it is a truncated set? If so you won't have to wait two years (maybe for all 5 or 6) because SLR Magic has the 25,50 and 85, with case, new filters and pl mounts with ef adapters leaving this week headed for Big Fresh Pond.
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Has this test been released anywhere?
 
Pat, one of the best I've seen so far. In the videos I've seen, the purple fringing CA is present at low T-stops when a daylit window
is in the shot. Have you noticed it in any other conditions, and have you done tests in direct sunlight or close to golden hour?

Thanks for the comprehensive test.
 
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