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Canon mount for the RED ONE...

Jannard

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There are several options on the horizon for the Canon lens customers.

In alphabetical order...

Andylesniak- manual
Birger
Element
P+S- manual

Any mount that sits ahead of the adjustable lens mount is fine from a warranty standpoint.

I suspect that one of the above companies will get full RED certification for an electronic version.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
There are several options on the horizon for the Canon lens customers.

In alphabetical order...

Andylesniak- manual
Birger
Element
P+S- manual

Any mount that sits ahead of the adjustable lens mount is fine from a warranty standpoint.

I suspect that one of the above companies will get full RED certification for an electronic version.

Jim
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Sure hope "on the horizon" means within the next month. Sure been waiting a long time for an electronic Canon mount.:sad:
 
Jim, few questions.

Jim, few questions.

wondered if we could find out answers to these lingering questions:

What is the reasoning for having the front of the adjuster the dividing line since it doesn't seem that it creates a substantially greater risk? In fact, it has been the front (legal) PL that proved very difficult or impossible to remove on many cameras. The adjuster was much easier - just four screws that weren't frozen. In fact the safe method of fixing the frozen pl screws is to fully remove the side lock screws and dismantle/split the adjuster so you can take that part of the assembly to a work bench - away from the camera - to drill out the screws.

In terms of the i/data cable, it doesn't seem much more or less vulnerable whether you remove the front pl or the front pl and the adjuster.

Many of us would be happy to have the i/data cable removed or neutralized in order to be able to switch mounts on our own. Could we pay RED or a certified technician to remove it? Could it be as simple as carefully cutting each wire individually, each wire 1/4" shorter than the other to avoid the possibility of shorting? I would want to put a shrink tube cap on each as well but someone mentioned that might outgas and contaminate the olpf or sensor. But there is probably some safe material, potting compound or whatever.

Most of my shoots are on exotic islands and other remote somewhat harsh environments. Doesn't it seem likely that at some point we are going to want to remove the whole mount assembly to get total access to the OLPF for truly thorough cleaning? Approximately what is the cost of replacement of a scratched OLPF? On my last shoot (someone else's camera) the AC thought there might be a small scratch, which sent a bit of a panic through the team and got us wondering.

Also, with all of my other professional cameras BETACAM. DIGIBETA, VARICAM, HDCAM, etc. we have gotten a service manual with complete circuit diagrams, parts lists, etc. which makes it possible to fix things when we are a long way from home, and have spent large sums to get there. Will a service manual be available for the REDONE soon?
 
Did I miss something? Element, as in Element Technica? And since it's not marked as manual like the other two, I take it is Birger-like?
 
Jannard said:
There are several options on the horizon for the Canon lens customers.

In alphabetical order...

Andylesniak- manual
Birger
Element
P+S- manual

Any mount that sits ahead of the adjustable lens mount is fine from a warranty standpoint.

I suspect that one of the above companies will get full RED certification for an electronic version.

Jim
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:) I knew this thread was coming as soon as I read your post on the other one.

Again it is remarcable the flexibility and support of RED on this, as in a way kinda will be taking sales off the RED lenses, but then again more people will by RED cameras knowing that they can get a decent DSLR lenses set up very inexpensevely(is this a word?).

As I said, options are always good for the consumer, but no matter what I'l go with the one endorsed by RED, which I kinda already know who He is!


ciao
 
So the mystery company is element.... I like their stuff a lot.... if andy can show me a shipping dumb mount I'll send him his money right now. Then we can wait and see who's alive when the dust settles. First to market gets my money. Thank you Jim.
 
I like Element Technica --so far they have a great reputation: Promise, Deliver, Repeat. It is exciting to pull them into the mix.

Eric has put so much heart and soul into his development--I really hope he pulls it off, though. Maybe it's the months of praying for him to deliver, or the underdog effect.

Since he was the first to really make it seem possible, I at least hope he gets some stake in the final solution--without him I'm afraid there would be no one reaching beyond dumb mounts.
 
AquaVideoRed206 said:
wondered if we could find out answers to these lingering questions:

What is the reasoning for having the front of the adjuster the dividing line since it doesn't seem that it creates a substantially greater risk? In fact, it has been the front (legal) PL that proved very difficult or impossible to remove on many cameras. The adjuster was much easier - just four screws that weren't frozen. In fact the safe method of fixing the frozen pl screws is to fully remove the side lock screws and dismantle/split the adjuster so you can take that part of the assembly to a work bench - away from the camera - to drill out the screws.

In terms of the i/data cable, it doesn't seem much more or less vulnerable whether you remove the front pl or the front pl and the adjuster.

Many of us would be happy to have the i/data cable removed or neutralized in order to be able to switch mounts on our own. Could we pay RED or a certified technician to remove it? Could it be as simple as carefully cutting each wire, each wire 1/4" shorter than the other to avoid the possibility of shorting? I would want to put a shrink tube cap on each as well but someone mentioned that might outgas and contaminate the olpf or sensor. But there is probably some safe material, potting compound or whatever.

Most of my shoots are on exotic islands and other remote somewhat harsh environments. Doesn't it seem likely that at some point we are going to want to remove the whole mount assembly to get total access to the OLPF for truly thorough cleaning? Approximately what is the cost of replacement of a scratched OLPF? On my last shoot (someone else's camera) the AC thought there might be a small scratch, which sent a bit of a panic through the team and got us wondering.

Also, with all of my other professional cameras BETACAM. DIGIBETA, VARICAM, HDCAM, etc. we have gotten a service manual with complete circuit diagrams, parts lists, etc. which makes it possible to fix things when we are a long way from home, and have spent large sums to get there. Will a service manual be available for the REDONE soon?
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I said that anything ahead of the adjustable mount is safe. I did NOT say that nothing else would get certified, but we want to work closely with partners to provide a solution without blowing up our camera and having us pay to fix it.

Having said that, we are working more closely now with 3rd parties in an effort to make everyone happy, especially our customers.

Element has proven to be the single most solid accessory maker for RED. They have certainly taught us a few lessons. We are happy for our customers to hear of their interest in building many more accessories for RED, including an electronic Canon mount. Everything they make works... and works well. I am sure they will put out something in the market that is competitive and benefits our customers.

We continue to work with Birger to get that mount compatible with our system. I am sure we will get there.

As for the manual... we are working on it. I also bought several Betacams, a Varicam and a Sony 950. It looks to me like the service manuals cost me between $30K-$50K per camera. :-)

Jim
 
I'm glad I'm along for the ride but damn I should have buckled up a little tighter. Whoever gets a Red Warranty Certified electronic version out first will probably take the lion's share of sales here. I know I'd be working 24/7 to make that happen if I had been invested in a project like this.

You do have to wonder what's up ET's sleeve since they sure knew what Birger was up to. But I've never seen anything electronic from ET. Hmm...
 
So can we expect to see some Spike demo footage in the coming months? Heh heh heh....
 
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