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Canon EOS C400 Announced

rand thompson said:
That's just the default Camera Raw Sharpness setting for Canon RAW files, which is +10...
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Thanks for the tip. I did see that in the RAW settings and turned it down to zero, but still found the image too sharp. Had a quick fiddle with the Midtone detail as well, but decided not to bother with it.

Harder to see the sharpness in motion, but when I was making some extra adjustments to the still frames I'd exported it was more obvious.

Probably also has something to do with the sharpness of the lens used as well.

Also, judging by your grades and the ones Ben put on Vimeo, it's more about the kind of look I was going for, which has as a side effect, a tendency to increase saturation, contrast and accentuate detail, which often isn't very flattering to faces. I've seen the same thing with images from other cameras too when subjected to that process, so it's not unique to the C400.

In any case, it's no big deal, and as you say, probably better to have an image you can soften up rather than one that needs sharpening.
 
Here's another take on it, with more attention paid to dealing with the sharpness -



After looking at the C400 footage in Resolve, it's a lot better than I was expecting. Which is disappointing in a way, because I wouldn't call the C400 a cinema camera, more like cinema-capable, with it's emphasis still being more on the documentary/event/corporate markets that their video cameras are already best suited for.

Same with the rest of the Canon cameras. They're all stills cameras with video features or video cameras that now have colour, resolution and gradeability that can give you images in the same ball-park as you could only get from dedicated cinema cameras before. If the Canon cinema-line were actually cinema cameras though, there are a whole bunch of things that they wouldn't have on them or be able to do, and which would make them smaller, lighter and more adaptable, and maybe even less expensive.

Not sure if Canon would even be interested in making their version of a RED Komodo though, which is basically what I'm describing, and what I think Canon could do now that they've got the sensors, colour science and workflow to such a high standard.
 
Les Hillis said:
Here's another take on it, with more attention paid to dealing with the sharpness -



After looking at the C400 footage in Resolve, it's a lot better than I was expecting. Which is disappointing in a way, because I wouldn't call the C400 a cinema camera, more like cinema-capable, with it's emphasis still being more on the documentary/event/corporate markets that their video cameras are already best suited for.

Same with the rest of the Canon cameras. They're all stills cameras with video features or video cameras that now have colour, resolution and gradeability that can give you images in the same ball-park as you could only get from dedicated cinema cameras before. If the Canon cinema-line were actually cinema cameras though, there are a whole bunch of things that they wouldn't have on them or be able to do, and which would make them smaller, lighter and more adaptable, and maybe even less expensive.

Not sure if Canon would even be interested in making their version of a RED Komodo though, which is basically what I'm describing, and what I think Canon could do now that they've got the sensors, colour science and workflow to such a high standard.
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Could you have posted a more shitty image and a bigger crock of shit post about what is and is not a cinema camera if you tried?
 
People still get hung up on weird fetish discussion on what is or is not a cinemaaaa camera.

I shoot on Raptor-X / XL, Arri 35, and now C400 - and they are all great cameras perfectly capable of making Hollywood level images. Strengths and weaknesses for all of them.

I'd argue the c400 is the best value for money on the market right now though for an all-rounder.
 
DJ Meyer said:
People still get hung up on weird fetish discussion on what is or is not a cinemaaaa camera.

I shoot on Raptor-X / XL, Arri 35, and now C400 - and they are all great cameras perfectly capable of making Hollywood level images. Strengths and weaknesses for all of them.

I'd argue the c400 is the best value for money on the market right now though for an all-rounder.
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And DJ I would agree with you 100%. It's not the name on the camera, it's the experience and talent behind the camera that's makes the difference.
 
DJ Meyer said:
People still get hung up on weird fetish discussion on what is or is not a cinemaaaa camera.

I shoot on Raptor-X / XL, Arri 35, and now C400 - and they are all great cameras perfectly capable of making Hollywood level images. Strengths and weaknesses for all of them.

I'd argue the c400 is the best value for money on the market right now though for an all-rounder.
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The camera companies themselves are using the 'cinema camera' label as part of their marketing, which is what I was reacting to in my previous post, while also pointing out some of the differences between cameras that you yourself have referred to by calling the C400 an 'all-rounder' camera.
 
ok- disagreements happen.
what would life be without them.

Both of you contribute a lot to this board and come with a wealth of talent, knowledge, and perspective.

I ask that we please settle this down a bit.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA
 
rand thompson said:
I guess you're right. You've shown some really shitty grades over the years so I guess there are even more shitty grades that you are capable of coming in the future.
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Okay Rand, just for you, I promise I'll never post another shitty grade here on Reduser again. Have fun.
 
Brian Timmons said:
ok- disagreements happen.
what would life be without them.

Both of you contribute a lot to this board and come with a wealth of talent, knowledge, and perspective.

I ask that we please settle this down a bit.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA
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Thanks Brian.

Moving on.
 
Thanks alot! But any grade you would post here would be shitty, it always was.
 
Les Hillis said:
The camera companies themselves are using the 'cinema camera' label as part of their marketing, which is what I was reacting to in my previous post, while also pointing out some of the differences between cameras that you yourself have referred to by calling the C400 an 'all-rounder' camera.
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“all-rounder” is not used as a prejorative in this case. I use it as a complement as its capabilities encompass a broader range of use cases than many other cameras, including “cinema”.

Camera companies use the marketing phrase ‘cinema camera’ because a certain segment of the market needs that reassurance to feel good about their purchase.

Similar to car companies marketing the extensive off-road capabilities of their SUV that 99% of buyers will never use.
 
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