Canon 7D vs. RED ONE - a real footage comparison

[Juan Baranchuk]

Álex,

I'l try to do it during this weekend if I can but only at my small balcony because I wanted to record ProRes 422 HQ instead of H264 with 7D.

One day ago I've got BM Intensity Pro card and did the first low light Quick & Dirty tests (that really means footage is not a perfect one and

have always some flaws as usual, also don't expect anything "creative" in a way of DP aesthetic... it's just a simple, quick and dirty test).

Stay tuned.

Hi Sajin,

Please, shoot some zone plate/ test charts to compare resolution on H264 vs Proress 422 HQ 1080p vs Still with your Canon 7D, I suspect the line skipping of the 7D will still be there. The artifacts should go... But I suspect the line skipping will remain. Please use the sharpest lenses you have...

Thank you very much,

Juan

 

[albert rudnicki]

it's time to give it a rest, I think.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

We just read today at CML that RED GOES HOLLYWOOD.

Great news.

Let them go to LA and try out to take over Hollywood Hills... :w00t:

and as I suggested long ago here at the forum maybe the road to top of Hollywood Hills would require

to go over Woodland Hills to get there first from another side of the famous HOLLYWOOD letters... :sifone:

But that's a little bit about RED strategy and now go back to my recent test R1 vs 7D.

Actually nothing new there.

R1 still beats 7D (important info for all R1 & 7D "die hard" fun boys or the fun boy "haters") :laugh:.

I did HDMI capture via BM Intensity Pro to figure out how about 7D picture quality from that point and please have a look:

Shot on 7D with Canon 50mm EF f/1.4 @ f/2.2, ISO 320, 5200K and via HDMI Intensity Pro captured at FCP timeline.

Shot on 7D with Canon 50mm EF f/1.4 @ f/2.2, ISO 320, 5200K and via HDMI Intensity Pro captured at FCP timeline (center detail of 100% image magnification).

7D HDMI out with a full menu detail and then you go to M manual mode and get rid of them ready to capture (except red dot).

Shot on R1 with Leica R Summilux 50mm f/1.4 @ f/2.4, ISO 320. Rec709, B21 Color Science White Balance 4807 K (-12.98 Tint) and H proxy QT dopped at FCP timeline.

Shot on R1 with Leica R Summilux 50mm f/1.4 @ f/2.4, ISO 320, Rec709, B21 Color Science White Balance 4807 K (-12.98 Tint) and H proxy QT dopped at FCP timeline (center detail of 100% image magnification).

Shot on R1 with Leica R Summilux 50mm f/1.4 @ f/2.4, ISO 320. Rec709, B21 Color Science White Balance 4807 K (-12.98 Tint) in RED Alert.

This is 7D still photo acquisition during a video shot.

Download original 7D 5K full size jpg here>>>

This is R1 original image resized fro 4K tiff to 1K jpg.

Download original R1 4K jpg here>>>

R1 and 7D side by side: The Ultimate 2 cam rig was used for this comparison test.

The test stage: (left) Gretagmacbeth ColorChecker Chart on Eames Plastic Side Chair,
(middle) star-chart-bars on Ant Chair by Arne Jacobsen and (right) 3cP Cinematographer's Chart 709-2 on Verner Panton Chair by Vitra.
(Far right) LED light 500W with Lastolite Professional white light reflexive defuser.

LED light 500W was dimmed at a half.

This quick and dirty test footage consists the following:

R1 + 7D via HDMI capture + original 7D H264

Download 1080p Q&D test footage 107 MB>>>double click right button to save>>>

 

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

but the HDMI might be dodgy-dave Sanjin.. The stills look almost identical. Did you record the 7D footage, did you grab a still from the actual recorded video? Better or worse that would be a more realistic test, surely no-one is going to use a 7D to film capturing via HDMI

 

[Roberto B]

hey sj..

http://www.vimeo.com/7764570

another one..

http://vimeo.com/7559839

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

hey sj..

http://www.vimeo.com/7764570

another one..

http://vimeo.com/7559839

Roberto B,

sorry but the first video that looks nice is not available for download @ any HD size (!!!???).

Also I don't say that 7D is bad but opposite is a great little hybrid DSLR cam (photo+video).

GlideCam HD 2000 is pretty smart idea to use with 7D...

The second video I know well from long ago.

My test was just a technical taht we can compare video outputs from 7D with R1 quality picture.

Sorry again but for the test purpose no any picture wise "creative sort of content" was involved in that.

Intentionally I'm not doing it here at the forum just because there other places that are strictly dedicated for that sort of material.

 

[Roberto B]

yeah.. some guys like to see their own footage as an asset rather than the machines where it is cocked.. oops.. cooked.. cooked.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

yeah.. some guys like to see their own footage as an asset rather than the machines where it is cocked.. oops.. cooked.. cooked.

Of course that I understand this too.

 

[Roberto B]

w/ no CC
just some kinda of fancy picture styles

http://vimeo.com/7869821

 

[Patrick Tresch]

w/ no CC
just some kinda of fancy picture styles

http://vimeo.com/7869821

Very nicely done. Wich crane did you use?

Thanks

Pat

 

[Patrick Tresch]

Strange to see that even a still picture from the 7D has aliasing.

Pat

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Strange to see that even a still picture from the 7D has aliasing.

Pat

Patrick,

probably because it's shot in the video mode with AF enabled and not at the full photo mode.

Of course I just guess...dunno exactly what is going on there...(???!!).

 

[Cristina S]

Strange to see that even a still picture from the 7D has aliasing.

Pat

What still picture?

The crane was the Jimmy Jib 13m.

 

[Patrick Tresch]

Download original 7D 5K full size jpg here>>>

This one

Pat

 

[c-well]

Well, those charts look like crap ... and that video looks pretty sweet.

To me it is a matter of understanding its capabilities and limitations and keeping in mind the price. I have a RED, will get epic-x #206, but also just bought a 7D. For $1700 it has a 900K pixel LCD - 50% more pixels and much better off axis viewing than my RED LCD for the same $1700, so with the 7D i get a good LCD .... and a FREE 18MP still camera and a sort of HD video camera (with S35 DOF characteristics). And the "free" still camera - at 18MP, 8FPS, 19 point AF, wireless flash control - is on a par with (and in some ways better than) the BEST Pro 35mm DSLRs of just a couple years ago.

I whole heartily agree it is a good b-cam (especially to work my way up to scarlet) I do a lot of live events and I can use it to just cut away to audience shots and what not. It's also a great still cam 18MP come on, but to say it's the main cam and I will use it for everything no.....

 

[c-well]

Michael,


with your 7D get AJA KiPro HDMI mobile rugged recorder to record ProRes 422 HQ instead H264,

two underwater enclosures (one for 7D and one for AJA KiPro)

and then you'll get the best low light underwater digital cine acquisition rig that can compare with 16mm even 35mm !!!

Could be that a combo with 1DMK4 + AJA KiPro will be a dream underwater low light rig!!!

I don't believe you can come out of HDMI and get full 1080p it's compressed, though barry green from DVXUSER used this adapter to get get res to his monitor -

http://www.hdfury.com/

Maybe that can goto the kipro but if not we have to find another way...

 

[Liam Hall]

hey sj..

http://www.vimeo.com/7764570

another one..

http://vimeo.com/7559839

Did you shoot these Roberto? If not, I think you should make that clear in your post.

Just sayin'...

 

[Roberto B]

surely not.. these are from different vimeo users as it is easy to see.

the 2nd is even too much known already in these boards & out of here.. mr Charters ASC and his gang
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37479

yeah.. some guys like to see their own footage as an asset rather than the machines where it is cocked.. oops.. cooked.. cooked.

 

[Roberto B]

Very nicely done. Wich crane did you use?

Thanks

Pat

not gang production.. how could the gang have shot this one here?

our standards wouldn't accept such poor cuts.. sorry.. the fancy picture styles are nice though.. and don't cost a fortune to the on-budget arthouse ehehehehe

thx liam

 

[Tony R]

I actually did download the original clips form Philip Bloom and yeah, the footage was WAY smoother in the original file than in the version posted side by side with the Red One footage. But that clip the OP posted is what made me notice that the original Philip Bloom footage still stuttered a lot more than in the footage from the Red that the OP posted. The stuttering in the 7D isn't horrid or anything (if anything the slight jello-ing I BELIEVE I'm seeing bothers me more) and for most projects outside of action I wouldn't mind it that much at all. But I am interested in learning why its there.

So it sounds to me like the 7D would be excellent for shooting panoramic landscape vids (no action there) and as a stills camera.