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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Jannard

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This idea of a real test has gotten out of control apparently.

Several companies have refused to participate. I guess if I were them I might consider the same thing.

Resolution is not everything. But it is something.

Dynamic range matters. So does the "feel" of the image.

Frame rates matter.

Size matters.

Price matters.

Upgrades matter.

Support matters.

Community matters.

We are going to take down our offer to do a comparison test at RSH. The grief and complication doesn't warrant the effort.

I hope that everyone can do some testing on their own that includes all aspects of image capture. We just aren't up for the grief. We have better things to do.

There are lots of options for you to consider. I hope that RED is one of them.

Jim
 
Coach John Wooden never watch game films of the teams he was to play saying "If we execute what we practice it doesn't matter what our competitors do"

True in the 1960's at UCLA - true at RED today
 
Totally cool Jim. Those who know... know.

I do like "community Matters" comment.

What you guys did with the 4K competition was very inspiring. To see content delivered on those displays was what I needed to see. It would be wonderful if something like that can happen more than once a year. Leading by example always has more impact IMHO. It's better than a shoot out. It fosters community, and you get to see talent, instead of charts.

Bob
 
I'm confident Ridley Scott wouldn't shoot a movie on the second best camera. Or Fincher. Or PJ. Relax.
 
The tests we do each day in prep, on-set and in post do matter.

And the results we get in 1080, 720, 2k (and 4k for tests) do matter, too...

The function that makes a camera the right for a specific purpose, is so filled with uncontrollable parameters that it doesn't have any specific testing value. :)

Would have been fun to see how this test would have been conducted.

But this seems like a smart move.

I think it is a good thing for RED and our choice of using RED cameras, that the reason we are using them is based on a lot of good image qualities.

Cheeers!

G
 
There are lots of good options for consumers.

We love that other companies are doing 4K.

We just hope that our customers realize that everything matters to us. Resolution, dynamic range, frame rates, size, price, REDCODE RAW, REDCINE-X Professional, our upgrade program, the Bomb Squad... etc. Obsolescence obsolete. Posts at 3am.

God love us all...

Jim
 
I agree that your time is better spent elsewhere.

There will always be those who don't get it.

I had a colleague recently tell me how bad Scarlett is (because he'd just shot with one), while telling me how good my Epic footage looked.

I recently heard a story of an editor yanking R1 footage from his timeline and replacing it with 5d footage that looked 'better.' The r1 footage was in log space, and the editor didn't know what to do with it.

These people will not be swayed by a Red camera test at RSH.

The choice to make red a professional camera company was the right one.

Make the best cameras you can and we'll be here to use them as the excellent story telling tools that they are.

Jim, Thanks again for starting Red.
 
I've seen Pirates IV, GWDT, Social Network and many other films shot on RED. With skill/talent RED produces a digital camera that is unmatched in it's capacity to produced the highest quality images available for cinema display. If you need a test with other cameras to see this, then.................
 
I just don't understand why other companies aren't doing what you do? Why do they have to bring out cameras with "meh"-specifications and a ridiculous price tag?

I just don't get it, they have the resolution now, but the price, RAW-specs and color science are stone age. How many years before they change the next step?
 
Well the good news is out of all of this is most of "here" on Reduser have already made the call on what camera system is tops. Some are fortunate to actually know through tests as well.

Currently Epic is top dog in my mind. That's my opinion and that's also what tests have shown. After Dragon lands at the end of the year it won't really need to be much of a discussion anymore anyways.
 
Jannard said:
This idea of a real test has gotten out of control apparently.

Several companies have refused to participate. I guess if I were them I might consider the same thing.

Resolution is not everything. But it is something.

Dynamic range matters. So does the "feel" of the image.

Frame rates matter.

Size matters.

Price matters.

Upgrades matter.

Support matters.

Community matters.

We are going to take down our offer to do a comparison test at RSH. The grief and complication doesn't warrant the effort.

I hope that everyone can do some testing on their own that includes all aspects of image capture. We just aren't up for the grief. We have better things to do.

There are lots of options for you to consider. I hope that RED is one of them.

Jim
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Coloring my second year NYU Grad Film tomorrow at OFFHOLLYWOODNY .... Such a cool place!
 
Everyone who attended the REDuser party already know what the future looks like.

You could literally sit back and relax for a year and still have a huge lead.

Don't sweat the small stuff.
 
Your a good guy Jim with a fantastic vision. I honestly cant wait to be a customer.
 
Jim, when I got into post on this recent film that we shot on my Scarlet, I was blown away at what options were in front of me for the color timing of the RAW file. Optional paralysis, dare I say. Also, when I took a sequence that was in pro res (using the log and transfer option in FCP 7) back to RedCine-X, it automatically linked to the r3d's and blew my mind. Not only have you guys paved the way for the future, you've made it simple.
 
RED has amazing cameras but in all honesty its not the arrow its the indian... I was laughing at some of the reaction to the to the original post. People where splitting in two and losing their ish just to say that there is only one tool out there and nothing eles. C-mon folks have some perspective.

I am a major fan of RED but yikes folks.
 
Consider it Red's gain, and their loss! Continue on!
 
While I wouldve liked to have seen the test go ahead (principally because I'd want to see Canon, JVC, Sony et al put their money where their marketing is), I'm quite comfortable that I soon I can go into a cinema and watch Prometheus and compare that against films made with other cameras - this is the best kind of test because the cameras of these big films were (hopefully) in the hands of the very best DPs in the business, and they should be getting the most out of the cameras.

If its a choice between these tests or Jim posting at 3am, I'm taking Jims posts thank you very much. They tend to be more inspiring and enthusiastic than any amount of internet-trolling over the minutia of Red vs. [insert camera here] testing and the the misinformation drowning out the genuine and practical facts.

4k+ resolution = my future. Jim said it years ago, and its still paying dividends to my creativity.
 
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