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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Building a Resolve PC?

The K20 and K20x's are available now. Got one in from serverdirect.com

Only available as Tesla compute cards, not incorporated into GeForce or Quadro display cards.... yet.

This is a good thread (the GPU discussion should be helpful!) but raises more questions than it answers for me:
1) Have the lack of secondary color correction control on RESOLVE been solved?

What lack?

2) Have the Pro Res issues (post for the many fan boys out there) been solved?

Working fine here, although ProRes support on Windows is a crap shoot at times and direct output is impossible without going through hoops in an external app. I guess my question would be, what issues do you speak of?

3) Is RESOLVE a very good choice for this type of system you've built or is it a second tier alternative with the DaVinci stamp on it as some claim?

Resolve is not a second tier alternative with a DaVinci stamp on it. It's the real deal, it's the full DaVinci Resolve software as it always has been. Actually better because it continues to improve and become more capable. IMO, it's the best color correction system out there for the money. If you want to do better, you had better start shopping for Lustre and Quantel solutions. At any rate, you could answer all these questions yourself by giving it a try. The Lite version is [almost] fully functional and it's free. It is locked to single GPU support and can't work in or output resolutions greater than 1080p. I think those are the only restrictions, but I'm not 100% sure -- I don't use the lite/free version.


The i7 3960x Sandy Bridge-E requires moving over to a LGA 2011 mobo series with separate cooling purchase required so I respect the cash you've already put out for performance. Yet bang for buck on "speedy," I'm not so sure it's a great choice for many current users since it requires replacing many key components. Of course, with 6K on the horizon, this remain open for debate...

Not sure what you're getting at here. But your comments are right on about "moving over" to LGA 2011 and replacing components if you're looking at it from an upgrade point of view. For a new workstation build, there isn't anything I'd build for myself right now that isn't using the LGA2011 socket. Desktop i7 or Xeon. When working on any of this stuff we talk about around here -- high resolution video, motion graphics, R3D workflow, etc.. I don't think there's any such thing as too much computer. Moving into 6K, the 3960X (or 'K version) should be serviceable. There are too many unanswered questions for now about 6K, though... Something tells me we're going to see more than just increased pixels. I'm expecting another jump like we had from the RED One to Scarlet and Epic where the R3D decoding is more complex and demanding, we moved from a 12bit to a 16bit format, that sort of thing. So there's a lot yet we don't know... I wouldn't be surprised if they move 6K Dragon R3D's to and 18 or 20 bit container.

Your RAM choices should be best at 24GB or 48GB (or even 96GB) with six core according to my research. Other choices could cause problems... I also can't in good conscience, recommend Lian Li cases after the horrible problems (and complete lack of customer service!) I experienced (electrical shorts/system failure!) with a defective case last year. Never again!

Not just research, but real-world experience here... And I concur on the RAM. With 64bit applications these days, my *MINIMUM* ideal RAM amount for most common workstations is 4GB per core. Better yet, I like to extend that to 4GB per thread. Beyond that it's mostly just gravy, yet that gravy can be very useful if your system is continuously choking on large data sets. R3D workflow is a great example. For playback and scrubbing, even with a Rocket card, it helps to cache as many frames as you can. If you're working with 5KFF frames in half-resolution, that's still just under 20MB per frame in RAM. At 24fps, it takes about 480MB to cache one second. If you're scrubbing back and forth on a 10 second shot, thats almost 4.8GB in RAM. If you're doing any compositing or layering, that amount starts to compound on itself.

I'm running 128GB RAM in my Z820 - 16 core, 32 thread... So right on the 4GB per thread thing. I would actually like MORE. I did run briefly with 256GB, but had to run Win8 to make use of it all. Not a fan of Windows 8 on this system yet. That and the 16GB module performance, or at least of the modules I tried, was lacking compared to what the 8GB modules were giving me.


Too bad about your Lian-Li experience. I would be curious if it was the case itself or if you used one of their bundled power supplies? Support from most any of the case manufacturers is always very lacking or even non-existant. Best luck I've had for actual support has been from Chieftec and Thermaltake. Enermax isn't too bad.. Chieftec probably has the best support becuase they make tons of cases for a lot of the big PC companies. I think they were the primary case supplier for AlienWare before the Dell acquisition.
 
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Resolve is not a second tier alternative with a DaVinci stamp on it. It's the real deal, it's the full DaVinci Resolve software as it always has been. Actually better because it continues to improve and become more capable. IMO, it's the best color correction system out there for the money. If you want to do better, you had better start shopping for Lustre and Quantel solutions. At any rate, you could answer all these questions yourself by giving it a try. The Lite version is [almost] fully functional and it's free. It is locked to single GPU support and can't work in or output resolutions greater than 1080p. I think those are the only restrictions, but I'm not 100% sure -- I don't use the lite/free version.

The Lite versions also locks you out of noise reduction (though blur and sharpen are still available) and you can't do anything in 3D. Also makes sharing projects tricky or impossible.

Where I used to work prior to resigning, we output about 20-30 broadcast commercials in full HD using only the Lite version (after we finally quit on Apple Color) before we bought a copy of the Full version. This was mostly Red workflow, but a little Alexa and some Canon stuff thrown in.

Basically, my point is, though the list of items not included in the Lite version sounds extensive, really, for many professional uses, you can do without the Full. I'm a huge, huge fan of Resolve; worlds better than Color, for a price that you can't beat, and if you need to use any of the features that you're locked out of, well, $1,000 isn't that large of a price to swallow if you require work on THAT level.
 
The Lite versions also locks you out of noise reduction (though blur and sharpen are still available) and you can't do anything in 3D. Also makes sharing projects tricky or impossible.

Don't forget the Remote Grading feature, that's not available in Lite version.
 
...
1) Have the lack of secondary color correction control on RESOLVE been solved?
2) Have the Pro Res issues (post for the many fan boys out there) been solved?
3) Is RESOLVE a very good choice for this type of system you've built or is it a second tier alternative with the DaVinci stamp on it as some claim?
...

1) No, you still can't do secondary corrections in Resolve. Actually you can't do any corrections at all. You can only do "virtual corrections" that will disappear when you turn off your computer.

2) No, you still can't work with ProRes in Resolve. Acutally you can't work with HDV, AVCHD, DNxHD, .R3D, ArriRAW, etc.. either. Resolve only works with uncompressed 480i.

3) No, it's a horrible choice. As Resolve is a rebranded PoS app that was originally written by a Walmart clerk working in the photo processing department. He was subsequently downsized... and we got stuck with the PoS software called "Resolve." Sucks for us.
 
This is a great thread! Super useful. I'm also building a Resolve.


I researched all last week on the best home Resolve setup and went from OSX Hackintosh to Linux to PC and eventually back to OSX as I learned more.

I'm looking to build to fastest home setup possible without actually spending on a full licensed Linux resolve.

So far I have settled on these components;
- Resolve for Mac OSX license on Mountain Lion
- Corsair Obsidian 900D case
- ASUS LGA2011 Intel C602 DDR3 1600 SATA III Motherboard Z9PE-D8 WSIntel Xeon Eight-Core E5-2687W 3.1GHz 8.0GT/s 20MB LGA2011Corsair Hydro Series
- 2 x Intel Xeon Eight-Core E5-2687W 3.1GHz 8.0GT/s 20MB LGA2011
- 64Gb Corsair Dominator 2100Mhz
- 2 x Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler H100i
Cubix Expander for;
  • 3 x EVGA GeForce GTX 680 FTW 4096MB GDDR5, DVI, DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort
  • 1 x Red Rocket Card
- GUI = 1 x Quadro 4000 for Mac
- Decklink 4k card
- Apple Display as GUI monitor (via Displayport?)
- 4 Monitoring undecided as yet
- RAID storage currently undecided


I wanted to build a Thunderbolt setup but have preferred the twin Xeon motherboard to a single i7 core - I need a super stable environment so am not over-clocking.
So my questions are;
Are these the top of the line components??
Is there a better setup?
I read conflicting info about the advantages of 2/3Gb 580 PCIe2 cards vs 4Gb 680 PCIe3 cards? Which is the definitive best for OSX Resolve work?
Why not use 4 x 680 (1 x 680 as the GUI)?
Why are Quadro seen to better with so many less CUDA cores? Is the larger memory bus the deal breaker?
Is an all Quadro / Tesla system better for Resolve (and worth the larger expense)?? They aren't approved by DaVinci.. Would 4 x Quadro 6000 work??
Is the Windows advantage of another GPU and more RAM worth the pain of dealing with the OS? (I hate Windows!)
What are the advantages of DVI over HDMI?
I am trying to build a system which will be relatively future proof moving into a 6k / 4k world.


Thanks all, any advice gratefully appreciated.


Best
Shane
shanedaly.info
 
For a raid solution on a OSX Hackintosh I suggest Areca 1222 - 8 Ports PCIe to SAS RAID Adapter. Sas is better than sata to get high rates and areca OSX drivers are full bootable with a hackintosh.
I used this raid solution for a lot of time, now I do not need a desktop solution so I'm selling this raid adapter with two 15k sas drive:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...rts-PCIe-to-SAS-RAID-Adapter-mac-osx-bootable
 
“Resolve only works with uncompressed 480i.” This must be that “Mac Rumors” Resolve version that works only with the gold plated Apple RAM and the much whispered versions of Mountain Dire Wolf Ephemeral OS, fixed “whiny lite!” or unfixed “deep woof!”

Thanks Jeff, for addressing these major RESOLVE questions/issues/complaints I came across previously while researching “best” color correction software(s) for pc. They certainly stopped me in my tracks as I was considering RESOLVE and others and then I moved on to other things.

The defective Lian Li was a PC P80 (case only) which was a shorting nightmare! I am running WIN 7 with a i7 980x (Gulf town) out of an X58A UD 9 Gigabyte fully loaded at 24GB and just one 570 GTX with “big switch” Thermaltake PS. So far I am impressed with my replacement case, the latest Cooler Master Cosmos, for very quiet air cooled performance and sturdy user friendly moving handles. For some reason, many of these E-ATX monster cases don't have handles which make them hard to move...
 
What about the RED Z820 available through ProMax?

The thing has tons of slots:

3 PCI Express Gen3 x16 1 PCI Express Gen3 x16 mechanical/x8 electrical
1 PCI Express Gen3 x8 mechanical/x4 electrical
1 PCI Express Gen2 x8 mechanical/x4 electrical
1 Legacy PCI

I currently use a Cyclone Chassis with my MacPro.... works great, but I'd love to not need it.

Mind you, I don't know anything about building a PC.
 
keep this thread alive.

I am looking into building a resolve system too, though the thought of building a PC, gives me a cold sweat, been on mac for 10years now...

So step by step & piece by piece guides like offered in this thread is fantastic!
 
Don't sweat the Windows thing, guys... There's plenty of awesomeness available on the Windows platform to more than make up for the crappy OS shortcomings. We have plenty of shortcomings and issues on OSX too, they're just different. Kinda. Some of them are the same...
 
you can def put a lot more gpu's on a windows system that's for sure. beauty of doing a hack, dual boot. if you need pro res jump on the mac side, if you don't jump on the windows side and toss in more gpu's to get a big performance boost. windows is just windows, not a big deal if you are just opening up one piece of software. and u can boot back into mac os for everything else. as jeff said, advantages and disadvantages on both sides.


or one could man up and go linux :)
 
Does anyone know, if Resolve on a Mac and PC partitions could use the same Database? This way you could grade on PC and then just jump to a Mac partition and do the Prores render, if needed. I'm not a fan of using unsupported configuration in a production environment, but this could be OK in my book.
Regardless, I'm contemplating moving to PC as well, as in remote grading configuration I don't even need to render. So lack of Prores render doesn't bother me much and I don't even use Resolve for local grading. My main grading platform for that is Nucoda, which is running on PC anyway and it writes Prores just fine.
Eventually, I may need to look into Linux., which can run on the same hardware. Coming from very reliable sources, I hear, that there is good possibility of Baselight plugin for Flame. If it is, it will be a beast of a finishing platform. Keeping fingers crossed for Smoke too:-) NAB this year can't come fast enough...
 
Don't sweat the Windows thing, guys... There's plenty of awesomeness available on the Windows platform to more than make up for the crappy OS shortcomings. We have plenty of shortcomings and issues on OSX too, they're just different. Kinda. Some of them are the same...

This is so true! The performance is good and I've actually never been paid to work on a Mac which factored into my decision to build a Windows PC although I own Macs too. I should add that I waited to go ahead with my DIY build until Windows 7 had been out for a while and the reviews were FINALLY! good. I think the most interesting build I've heard about lately is Elsie N's which is AMD 8 core with 32GB. With faster drive chains and more lanes I'll be curious to hear how that works out for him! However, AMD is not so widely known, harder to find support for if you run into trouble which is why I went initially i7 although I built one on paper/wish list. I could never recommend someone go Hackintosh just as I'd never buy into a CS6 "Clone" system...
 
I have one on order.... Possibly shipping by the end of next week. ;)

It seems that demo units for reviewers are going out as we speak.
 
I have one on order.... Possibly shipping by the end of next week. ;)

It seems that demo units for reviewers are going out as we speak.

I am VERY eager to hear your hands-on thoughts on this new card, Kilgroe. Please, please share once you spend some time with it.
 
Are there different models of the Titan with different amounts of GPU ram on board?

There are going to be a few different models but unlikely with differing amounts of RAM.

EVGA and Asus are going to be the only manufacturers. EVGA has announced a couple of Superclocked and Hydro versions but RAM is always the same.
 
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