Build 16... taste

[I Bloom]

Ian, no problems. It's fun speculation. I'm just ensuring that a casual reader knows what the OLPF is for. One day I'll put together a rogues gallery of OLPF offenders....

Graeme

I'll take that as confirmation of my theory. :devil:

Jendra - WRONG Mark - this is Mark Pedersen - I am Mark Pederson - it's okay - you have no idea how many funny stories there are about the mistaken identities of the two Marks!!!

LOL!
Jendra's an artist man. Don't get overly technical.

IBloom

 

[I Bloom]

Noise reduction and compression do alter the image, and fine detail can be lost. Color cards shots are not good showing at how fine detail is lost. It's just impossible to know exactly what is actually is getting removed from the image without comparing these stills to a completely uncompressed RAW unaltered image directly from the sensor. Still images, also, won't show any temporal noise that could be in the image, as well.

At the end of the day, if you like the image then that's all that matters. Things are looking really good though for build 16.

Hold on. There is a fine distinction here.

On the one hand you have:
Degrading an image to reduce the appearance of noise.
And on the other hand you have:
Recovering information from an image degraded by noise.

I don't think Mr. Nattress or Mr. Jannard would degrade the image in order to reduce the appearance of noise, as is the case with most noise reduction tools. And because I believe that the noise on a chip that sits behind and OLPF sensor is a "special" situation I think they don't have to.

So yes it seems clear that the trade off of higher ISO is clarity (keep in mind this image is coming off a JPEG compressed for the web):

But one thing seems clear to me. It's the noise degrading the image not the noise reduction. This is not about loosing information, its about recovering information. And from what I'm seeing that recovery is pretty damn amazing.

Trading clarity for sensitivity. Sold.

IBloom

 

[Joseph Hutson]

Nice!

 

[Jannard]

Brothers?

 

[10s]

Is that the new RED Stereo Vision camera? Hmmm, I've heard about it.

I'll order one, & when I get mine, I'll name it, Johnny 5.

 

[Steve Gibby]

As a guy not directly involved in firmware development, let me just tell you how hard Graeme, Jim, Deanan, Jarred, Matt, Rob, etc. have been working here at RED on Build 16. The fruits of their labor has all of us at RED amazed at these images just like you are.

Proud to be part of the RED team,
BC

That's some seriously cool Build 16 results RED Team...thanks for all your hard work...its deeply appreciated. You guys unbelievably rock...

I'm way proud to be a RED customer. Hindsight is 20/20, but as the months and years go by, I'm more and more glad I embraced RED way back in mid-2005 when Jim first explained his dream to me. It was the best professional move I've made in a 30-year career in this industry. I mean that...

 

[Joseph Hutson]

WALL-E!!!

 

[Trevor Meier]

Brothers?

YES!!! Johnny5 makes a comeback...

 

[Mitch Gross]

Jendra - WRONG Mark - this is Mark Pedersen - I am Mark Pederson - it's okay - you have no idea how many funny stories there are about the mistaken identities of the two Marks!!!

I always have to pause a moment whenever either Mark calls me. I won't tell either of you the fairly long phone call we had that I realized was the OTHER Mark only at the very end!

 

[Mark Pedersen]

I always have to pause a moment whenever either Mark calls me. I won't tell either of you the fairly long phone call we had that I realized was the OTHER Mark only at the very end!

Not to mention the mixed up tracking numbers and invoices... from numerous unmentioned vendors... geeze!

I'd like to take this opportunity to declare, once and for all, that I will no longer accept being referred to as the "OTHER" Mark Pedersen

>M

 

[Mitch Gross]

I'd like to take this opportunity to declare, once and for all that I will no longer accept being referred to as the "OTHER" Mark Pedersen

The joke is that we refer to both of you that way!

 

[Mark Pedersen]

OK, I feel so much better.

"WRONG Mark - this is Mark Pedersen - I am Mark Pederson"

Starting to sound like a movie... "I'm Spartacus.... No, I'm Spartacus!..."

M

 

[Jendra]

I'd like to take this opportunity to declare, once and for all, that I will no longer accept being referred to as the "OTHER" Mark Pedersen

>M

Well, I know two others in the film business besides the two of you.
Mark Petersson, the DP who does a lot of doc TV (Nat Geo & the like) who I know personally and then there's Mark Pederson the OTHER DP, and the OTHER producer? I think one of those two is Peterson. Are you one of those? There are over twenty iterations on imdb.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

That belief has had me on a self-induced knowledge-building merry-go-round the last two years, and I must admit I've gotten a little dizzy. Technology is changing so much, that DPs now have to spend a lot more time than they used to learning about technology.

Being a cinematographer is 1/3 technical, 1/3 artistic and 1/3 managerial.

I know a lot of people who forget about developing the other 2/3rds. (This winter, I got bored of the merry-go-round and I took a leadership course and went to a bunch of museums and gallery shows. Now I'm longing to dig into my new "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" book!)

It's been in about the last 6 months that I've realized how out-of-balance I've been feeling about my craft. There's no end to how much there is to know, and it's an easy trap to get caught in, thinking you need to know everything. I became a DP because art, image-making and storytelling inspire me, not because I was interested in being a technologist. As I'm being invited on more & more speaking engagements to share my knowledge, lecture about digital cinema etc., I'm realizing more and more that I'd much rather be known for my talent and the quality of my work than for how much I know about pixels, bit-depth, and the MTF of the OLPF!

Great thoughts Jendra. It is such a balance, but one that so few people even attempt. I tend to mostly see the artists who think they are above knowing the tech or the guys that think it's all tech. It's refreshing to see those that recognize the Da Vinci like need for completeness. A Renaissance Woman you are

 

[David Mullen ASC]

As a cinematographer, I often have to remind myself basically (as I work these long hours) why I got into this business -- because I love movies, I love lighting, I love to create images that tell stories and move people. It's important to not put the cart before the horse and think that it's about the tools first and what you do with them second. You need both of course, the technical skill and the artistry, but honestly, what makes up a great cinematic moment in a movie is often much more based on the artistry of the people involved than the particular tool they used to create that moment.

Besides, the best cinematography tool you have are your EYES, so learn to use those above all else...

 

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

As a cinematographer, I often have to remind myself basically (as I work these long hours) why I got into this business -- because I love movies, I love lighting, I love to create images that tell stories and move people. It's important to not put the cart before the horse and think that it's about the tools first and what you do with them second. You need both of course, the technical skill and the artistry, but honestly, what makes up a great cinematic moment in a movie is often much more based on the artistry of the people involved than the particular tool they used to create that moment.

Besides, the best cinematography tool you have are your EYES, so learn to use those above all else...

I'll just open a word document and save whatever you say Mr. David.

:biggrin:

Just as I expected, I might be able to get all the grain I need just by playing with processing... beautiful.

Now I understand why this mythical build16 was delayed for so long.

Oh, early'09 seems DECADES away... :waaa:

I hope you're saving cash and not buying every week a new mel gibson poster.

 

[Bang WOW Bang]

As a cinematographer, I often have to remind myself basically (as I work these long hours) why I got into this business -- because I love movies, I love lighting, I love to create images that tell stories and move people. It's important to not put the cart before the horse and think that it's about the tools first and what you do with them second. You need both of course, the technical skill and the artistry, but honestly, what makes up a great cinematic moment in a movie is often much more based on the artistry of the people involved than the particular tool they used to create that moment.

Besides, the best cinematography tool you have are your EYES, so learn to use those above all else...

That 's why we all got RED Eyes though.

Warmest regards to all RED shooters.

Stewart
Founder and TOP
REDHKSC
HKG -CHINA

 

[Casey Green]

Brothers?

No disassemble Johnny 5!

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Brothers?

Input. I need more input!


Preferably in RedCode RAW. :clown2:

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

As a cinematographer, I often have to remind myself basically (as I work these long hours) why I got into this business -- because I love movies, I love lighting, I love to create images that tell stories and move people.

Amen.