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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Build 15 update...

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Nope. It was from an early shipping camera.

Graeme
 
kyle.presley said:
Clinton sold our oil reserves. So what?
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2004 - STANFORD -- With oil prices heading toward $50 a barrel......
U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve contains 666 million barrels -- nearly 65 days of imports -- worth nearly $30 billion at current prices. (2004)

In Clinton era the barrel was $13-$17
http://cesp.stanford.edu/news/in_op...agement_of_us_oil_reserve_20040823/index.html

Didn't help much in his 526 billion surplus he managed to reside over:)

But Clinton is from Arkansas and Bush is from Texas, why I am not surprised here.
Remind me which state is called oil state?
 
I heard Build 15 will solve world hunger and decreases global warming......

Can't wait lets hit that Mar. 1st date boys I'm rooting for yeah!
 
Andrew said:
But Clinton is from Arkansas and Bush is from Texas, why I am not surprised here.
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Which brings up an unanswered ethical question someone once asked... "In Arkansas if you divorce your wife, is she still your sister?"

edit: maybe that's more of an etiquette question instead of an ethical one.
 
genealogy question. LOL
-A
 
This thread has been seriously derailed, but since we are here:

If we took oil off the comities market (removed the speculators) and made it a competiteve business model = oil and our gas would me much cheaper. For example Exxon would care if Shell was cheaper and they would fight each other to make it more economical..... Right now they are fat, lazy and insulated by wall street bidding $100+ /barrel.

What if Red rental rates were on the commodities market? We would be at $2500/ day and rising....oooh lets start thinking.

Jim, how do we do this? ;)

My 2 cents.
 
My father owns a couple of gas stations and when i was young, that's how it used to be back in the day. The station across the street would lower the gas price by 5 cents and there would be a little price war back and forth.

That doesn't really happen anymore, and when it does, its artificial.
 
richcam1 said:
This thread has been seriously derailed, but since we are here:

If we took oil off the comities market (removed the speculators) and made it a competiteve business model = oil and our gas would me much cheaper.

My 2 cents.
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I think that's an excellent idea. Let's take oil off the commodities market....
Of course, a genuine competitive business model means removing all tax breaks and "R and D" incentives to the oil industry, which means price hikes to offset lower profit margins....in the meantime, as we phase out oil and bring in biofuels like algae grown vegetable oil, we'll start charging the real cost of oil, including the degradation to the environment.......i've never understood why everyone wants everything cheaper, when all it means is more consumption, which means dirty air, dirty water, and dirty food. Is that really what we want?

How's that for further derailment?:matrix:

my 2 cents.
 
By the way Bio-Fuels actual cost to the environment is more extensive than most would have you believe. if you include the complete cost of bio-fuel with out govt. tax breaks and give-aways... It costs about 2 and half times more energy and money than oil does. Need to look to more dense battery material and more efficient solar collection....

Now back to the original reason for this post. Is build 15 still coming this weekend?
 
REMY said:
By the way Bio-Fuels actual cost to the environment is more extensive than most would have you believe. if you include the complete cost of bio-fuel with out govt. tax breaks and give-aways... It costs about 2 and half times more energy and money than oil does. Need to look to more dense battery material and more efficient solar collection....
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Just wanted to clarify my last post. I specifically only mentioned that one bio-fuel. Algae based oils actually eat carbon and spit out oxygen during the growth cycle, and have an excellent yield per acre for fuel. I agree with you that most biofuels are a dead end, curiously the ones that are being touted by agri business.
Corn based ethanol and hydrogen production is a dead end. No question.

As far as energy input versus energy output, there's no question that oil has a phenomenal return on investment. I think it's around 80 to 1 ratio versus 3.5 to 1 for corn, so I believe your numbers are pretty conservative. However, in a real reality, we would be factoring in all costs of producing something. Action and reaction. These have values. This from grade 9 science class. Course, once you weigh in the environmental destruction part of it, there's no need for oil at all. It's just convenient for our convenience culture.

Anyways, now where was that thread.....how's build 15?
 
Unless you guys are willing to rewrite the laws of physics, you can forget about algae-based fuels, as well. What you are describing is a clear violation of the second-law of thermodynamics.

Algae eats carbon and makes fuel.

Fuel is burned, releasing carbon.

Looks like a perfect, zero sum game. . . until we account for the prodigious energy inputs required to make the system go and the huge efficiency losses in the mechanical systems actually using the created fuel. There just ain't no free lunch here guys.

Growing our own fuels is insanity, and will lead to the devastation of huge swaths of the earth's plant and animal life. "Global warming" doesn't kill species. . . but habitate destruction certainly does.

There is only one system that looks like a long-term solution at the present: Nuclear power. Sadly, the U.S. the only major world power that hasn't built a nuclear power plant in the last 30 years.

Stephen
 
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