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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Build 15 update...

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Stephen Pruitt said:
Unless you guys are willing to rewrite the laws of physics, you can forget about algae-based fuels, as well. What you are describing is a clear violation of the second-law of thermodynamics.

Algae eats carbon and makes fuel.

Fuel is burned, releasing carbon.

Looks like a perfect, zero sum game. . . until we account for the prodigious energy inputs required to make the system go and the huge efficiency losses in the mechanical systems actually using the created fuel. There just ain't no free lunch here guys.

Growing our own fuels is insanity, and will lead to the devastation of huge swaths of the earth's plant and animal life. "Global warming" doesn't kill species. . . but habitate destruction certainly does.

There is only one system that looks like a long-term solution at the present: Nuclear power. Sadly, the U.S. the only major world power that hasn't built a nuclear power plant in the last 30 years.

Stephen
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Sorry but I strongly dissagree with nearly all what you have stated!

As this is a Build 15 thread... I won't answer specifically.:blush:

I whish a nice 21st century for you and your children.

Patrick
 
Jannard said:
Build 15 is coming along nicely... ....
We hope to release beta versions around March 1st. Solid build around March 10th.

Jim
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Not to interupt the various discussions going on here, but....

Is a 1st of March release still the plan?
 
John anderson proposed a 50cent ($1.41 today) gas tax.

John anderson proposed a 50cent ($1.41 today) gas tax.

Evolve said:
i've never understood why everyone wants everything cheaper, when all it means is more consumption, which means dirty air, dirty water, and dirty food. Is that really what we want?

How's that for further derailment?:matrix:

my 2 cents.
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BTW Oil is a biofuel, unfortunately we are using up in a 150 years what took millions of years for biology and geology to create.

John Anderson seriouslyproposed a 50cent ($1.41 today) gas tax back in 1980.

From Wikipedia:
"The ongoing oil crisis, which had manifested itself in terms of long gas lines and rampant inflation, was a serious problem, and Carter's only response was to blame the public's "crisis of confidence." And Anderson feared that Reagan's hawkish defense attitudes and social conservatism were bad for America.

In that context, Anderson carefully crafted a platform which emphasized his centrist ideology and straight-forward, honest demeanor. He consistently reinforced his image as the "man in the middle," with liberal social and foreign policies and conservative economics.

Anderson's honesty and realism were perhaps his downfall. For example, his advocacy of a fifty cents per gallon hike in the gas tax, which would simultaneously have reduced the demand for gas and shored up the quickly-dwindling Social Security fund, was met with harsh criticism from both candidates."

Might have been helpful in a lot of areas...

Josch said:
Not to interupt the various discussions going on here, but....

Is a 1st of March release still the plan?
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Oh, yeah - I'd like to know that too.
 
riding bikes is awesome. of course at first some will be scared. Okay, who doesn't want alternative fuels to work? probably the wealthiest companies on the planet, the oil industry. especially with the amount of money they are making right now. oil rules the world.
 
I came in at the beginning of this thread, missed a bunch in the middle and now see these last few posts. Is Red running on oil now? I'm confused. I'll have to read entire thread now.
 
stevesherrick said:
I came in at the beginning of this thread, missed a bunch in the middle and now see these last few posts. Is Red running on oil now? I'm confused. I'll have to read entire thread now.
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biodiesel only. Anything else voids the warranty!

Josch said:
Not to interupt the various discussions going on here, but....

Is a 1st of March release still the plan?
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Oh, yeah - I'd like to know that too.
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
Unless you guys are willing to rewrite the laws of physics, you can forget about algae-based fuels, as well. What you are describing is a clear violation of the second-law of thermodynamics.

Algae eats carbon and makes fuel.

Fuel is burned, releasing carbon.

Looks like a perfect, zero sum game. . . until we account for the prodigious energy inputs required to make the system go and the huge efficiency losses in the mechanical systems actually using the created fuel. There just ain't no free lunch here guys.
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What I'm describing Stephen, is exactly what you have said, a carbon neutral system. Which in the interests of survival is what we need to begin a sustainable future. As far as "prodigious energy inputs", algae requires very little energy to grow, and it grows by eating carbon and expelling oxygen. Additionally, it can be grown anywhere, for instance a bathtub, and does not require arable land to do so. This, in combination with the diesel engine, which was designed to run on vegetable oil, and can be converted with a simple process, gives us a stop gap measure that will directly affect the level of carbon put into the air, as 25% of carbon dioxide output is the result of transportation. Currently, the rate of carbon output globally is increasing. We need to reduce carbon levels. This is but one of the ways to start making dramatic inroads. As far as a free lunch goes, your discussion in this vein seems counter to your previous claims that global warming was a big hoax. I'm assuming that your no longer making that claim, as your debating the points of sustainability, rather than dismissing them out of hand?


Stephen Pruitt said:
Growing our own fuels is insanity, and will lead to the devastation of huge swaths of the earth's plant and animal life.
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Okay, please explain this rationalization to me. Devastation of huge swaths of land because why? By the way, we grow fuel for everything, including our food, and for the livestock that you eat. Which is another way to reduce carbon output. Become a vegetarian.:shifty: Livestock eat 12 kilos of grain per kilo of meat produced, of which the grain takes thousands of litres of fresh water to make. Vegetables take a tenth the amount. You also don't get nearly the same amount of protein and energy that you do from certain grains and beans. But of course you don't watch bean ads on television, nor is the bean industry in our schools....but the meat and dairy industry sure is.

Stephen Pruitt said:
"Global warming" doesn't kill species. . . but habitate destruction certainly does.

There is only one system that looks like a long-term solution at the present: Nuclear power. Sadly, the U.S. the only major world power that hasn't built a nuclear power plant in the last 30 years.

Stephen
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Wow, global warming doesn't kill species huh? Do you seriously believe that?
You ever heard of this crazy thing called "adaptation"? Species evolve as the climate and geography around them changes, and adapt to their surroundings, including moving to other more hospitable climates. Whatever sustains their life. Among other things, it's how we ended up with opposable thumbs. Better swinging techniques. This process usually takes thousands, sometimes millions of years. The reason why global warming affects species is because of the accelerated rate of change in the climate. It's happening very quickly, and species are having a very hard time adapting to that accelerated change. That's why scientists are having trouble locating penguin populations in the antartic, and why the polar bears are 20% thinner then they were 10 years ago, and why 2 million year old ice shelves are collapsing as fast as we can track them. There are thousands of examples of species in danger of complete collapse, and the links frequently lead to global warming.
As far as nuclear power goes, there's another dead end. Not only does it take more energy to build one then the energy it puts out in it's sustainable life of roughly 15 years before a major overhaul, it's incredibly expensive to maintain, and the energy to mine the highly toxic to humans type fuel isn't even included in any of the projections for sustainability. And the levels of cancer clusters around nuclear power plants are significantly higher than in other regions. Oh and wait, we don't know what to do with the depleted uranium once its done, as there is no safe way to store the stuff. Unless of course you're the U.S. D of D, where you decide that the bright thing to do would be to take this highly toxic shit and put it into munitions which you then fire at seriously outgunned armies like the iraqi army part one. Which then creates this thing called "Gulf War Syndrome". Radiation ain't picky, so American vets got their share of that prize. I also have some footage of the aftereffects of DU exposure on Iraqi children in the 90's if you'd like to see. It's horrific, as is the idea that nuclear energy is the way forward.
Stephen, I'm really curious where you get your information from, as you don't seem like an unreasonable person, yet you throw out these massive generalizations that are, in my opinion, completely flawed.

I'm really sorry about the thread, although I confess that this is more interesting than build 15, as I got no camera....:innocent:
 
ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

Why doesn't someone grab their RED and go and MAKE A FILM about these issues instead of debating them in a forum that is about BUILD 15!

Ah.. the fire that RED creates in people.

I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!

David
 
Global warming comes in so fast, I am not sure if I can boot the RED quickly enough :)

But honestly, having watched some planet earth docs recently, many of those shots would not exists if they had to use the RED ONE unfortunately. Those doc guys need something point and shoot, and RED ONE isn't really the best tool for this right now. I am curious if anything like a sleep mode with a quick "wake up" would ever be possible, or if that would lead again to some kind of re-design.

I am not talking about swapping out batteries - there are solutions for this on the horizon, but for getting the camera awake if you need "the moment".

Cheers,
Axel
(who wish he could do more against global warming - for his children)
 
Hi Axel,

Jim did mention recently that a sleep mode is being worked on and will be integrated in a future build, but not in build 15. It would certainly help me out in the field.

I would not doubt some form of "pre roll" cache at some point but that is just my hope... not based in concrete fact.
 
Just to stir it up a bit

Just to stir it up a bit

battistella said:
ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

Why doesn't someone grab their RED and go and MAKE A FILM about these issues instead of debating them in a forum that is about BUILD 15!

Ah.. the fire that RED creates in people.

I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!

David
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... smells like victory... or maybe we've forgotten what victory smells like.
 
Andrew Benz said:
Hi Axel,

Jim did mention recently that a sleep mode is being worked on and will be integrated in a future build, but not in build 15. It would certainly help me out in the field.

I would not doubt some form of "pre roll" cache at some point but that is just my hope... not based in concrete fact.
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it would be a dream to have both cache and power save now but I am sure when my camera comes (in six months or so) it will be there. until then any idea how long one battery lasts when you are just waiting (in a hide for example)?
 
Maybe it's actually Feb. 30th. Kind of a leap-leap year?

> any idea how long one battery lasts when you are just waiting

I've heard 60 to 90 minutes on one Red battery. Oddly, I heard today at the DCS meeting in Sunnyvale that the power consumption is higher in standby than when actually shooting. That would be surprising if true, I haven't been able to confirm it.
 
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