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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Build 15 update...

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Evin Grant said:
Personally I'm keeping my expectations tempered...
1 Stop DR improvement (most likely in the shadows).
Corresponding 2/3 stop better shadow noise.
Purple Sun fix
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My guess is there's going to be some intelligent noise reduction built in either on camera or in REDCINE... perhaps both. Maybe it'll target the blue channel... or copy info from parts of another channel to increase blue channel density.

These guys are starting to squeeze the sensor for what it's worth. The next question is when does the next sensor come out?
 
Improvements will not stop at Build 15, but this build is a major step along the path. In past builds, we have stabilized firmware, killed bugs, enabled features, added new features (like 3K), solved fan issues, etc. We can always do more. And we will.

Jim
 
A new sensor is an interesting question, I just bought a Nikon D3 and I'm a little flabbergasted by it's noise control. I'm getting images at ISO 6400 that look like Red images at ISO 640. Granted the D3 can't do 24FPS but it can do 9FPS
and do windowing to DX and 4:3 aspects ratios. There is obviously some on chip mojo going on in both but it's still unclear how much of the Mysterium's shadow noise character is the chip and how much is Redcode. I've definitely seen changes to the image as the builds progressed. They're subtle and mostly positive but I do sense more mosquito texture in the post 12 builds Vs. their predecessors. (Although not in RC36) Overall this means very little except that there is still room for improvement. Hence build 15. I doubt Red will consider upgrading the sensor until they truly squeeze every last bit out of the Mysterium and it is truly threatened by another camera. That still seems at least two years off as even Sony will not have a 4K 35mm camera till 2009 earliest.
Even then, Red will rule the playing field, and rightly so.
 
Sounds nice Jim!

Outputs to HDMI, LCD and EVF is high up on my wishlist... then I am happy.

Thanks for all the extra.
Christian
 
The Third Man said:
Black sun and blue channel are not serious issues.
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Black sun IS a serious issue!
Sanjin, how can you say that not even having your camera yet?
I experience the black "sun" issue in many of my shots. Of course it's not always the sun but mostly some small short reflection of a bright source. It doesn't look nice if it's black.

BASSAM MSSALATIE said:
i wonder if 15 will be released with a new REDCINE Graeme's a new demosiac :excl:
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Demosaic is done in post (RedCine, Red Alert etc.) - so it has nothing to do with build 15 which is a camera upgrade. Unless they change the format in such a way that both firmware AND post software needs to be upgraded at the same time.

Jim, I'm dying to know what build 15 will bring to us. I'm fully confident that it will be awesome! :biggrin:
 
D3 ISO 6400
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Through extensive research, I have found out that build 15 will enable the mysterium sensor to have a range that will span all visable light and infa-red all at once.

There is even a port coming that will allow the camera to do your dishes and replace women as we know it.
 
Jannard said:
The players involved in Build 15 are Graeme, Deanan, Rob, Stuart, and Jarred. This is the RED "A" team for DSP, code, testing and overall "forwardthinkingness".
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I want to have a job title of forwardthinkinger

edit: of course, tester would be great. shoot, jim, if you wanted to you could just ship me a couple of reds to test and I'll forward them onto their owners! :)
 
Still learning build 14 (and the camera in general) and there's already a new build coming! Exciting times. Got the camera yesterday and I'm so impressed with what you guys have done.
 
A friend of mine wich is an AFP photographer shoots everything @ 2500 ASA with the nikon D3. You don't see any grain. Big evolution has been made by Nikon.

See you.

Pat
 
I appreciate the caution to keep expectations under control. The last 10 to 15% usually takes as much effort as the first 85% and the improvements are often subtle.
 
Evin Grant said:
A new sensor is an interesting question, I just bought a Nikon D3 and I'm a little flabbergasted by it's noise control. I'm getting images at ISO 6400 that look like Red images at ISO 640.
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Nikon, along with Canon, have had years of practice on this stuff... give us a couple of months to catch up. :)

Jim
 
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