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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Peter Moretti said:
I'm really not. Red needs broader distribution and retailers. Red also needs manufacturing facilities. And, if this whole DSMC concept is still going forward, Red needs still imaging technology to be able to viably compete w/ the other DSLR makers.

Nikon, on the other hand, could sure use a presence in the video and digital cinema world. They are getting their a$$ kicked by Canon in the vDSLR market. And Nikon seems to have little internal knowledge of the cinema world. Nikon could also make a line of digital cinema lenses, instead of everyone using retrofitted or old Nikkors.

Red is not equipped as company to make, sell, market or support a camera for the masses. Now it looks like Red has backed away somewhat from the goal of selling Scarlets to soccer moms. So maybe they can pull off Scarlet in its current incarnation. But if Red wants to go head-to-head in the DSLR market, Red will need help.
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Good thing you don't work for RED then. Not only do I disagree, I think you are making some bold and dangerous assumptions here. Look, RED has admitted they have a firmware bug in the flagship camera and the Scarlet is based on its success. The mass manufacturing partner fallout would be an issue regardless of that bug.

Sorry dude, but if I were RED, I would be insulted by your suggestion. Especially as it appears little thought was put into it.
 
Peter Matthes said:
Jim,

Do you feel that the Epic/Scarlet firmware issue and/or the manufacturing speed bump will have any effect of the release of the new "Bomb" EVF?
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The Bomb EFV is minutes away.

Jim
 
The only difference between us and the rest of the industry is that we are talking along the way. If we kept silent about the process and our targets, we would be just like the others. I now can understand why they do it like they do. But I still prefer to keep an open dialog.

Jim
 
Peter Moretti said:
Nikon, could sure use a presence in the video and digital cinema world. They are getting a$$ kicked by Canon in the vDSLR market.
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Boy ... you can say that again.

With the amount of high quality Nikon glass out there, it is amazing that the D3S is the best vDSLR they have to offer the market thus far.

Frankly, I think the best hope for that glass is an Epic with a Red (US) made Nikon mount. :patriot:
 
Jannard said:
The Bomb EFV is minutes away.

Jim
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It would not be nice to kid a desperate EVF-less Red One user.

:shocked:

This is exciting!
 
Peter Moretti said:
Red is not equipped as company to make, sell, market or support a camera for the masses.
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Has "the masses" ever been their intention?

Now it looks like Red has backed away somewhat from the goal of selling Scarlets to soccer moms.
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Again, soccer moms? Was that who Scarlet was designed for? I surely doubt it.

But if Red wants to go head-to-head in the DSLR market, Red will need help.
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As I understand it, Red will never go "head to head" with the DSLR market. It will be cutting it's own path a few hundred miles up the road. Comparing a Red camera to a currently available Nikon or Canon is just plain... well... ludicrous.

I'm with Tim on this one. What are you smoking? :blink:
 
Kris Anderson said:
Has "the masses" ever been their intention?



Again, soccer moms? Was that who Scarlet was designed for? I surely doubt it.



As I understand it, Red will never go "head to head" with the DSLR market. It will be cutting it's own path a few hundred miles up the road. Comparing a Red camera to a currently available Nikon or Canon is just plain... well... ludicrous.

I'm with Tim on this one. What are you smoking? :blink:
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I fully expect the DSLR mfgs to get it right at some point. Make a non-line-skipping 4K camera. At that point, the difference will be RAW 5K and 6K vs. whatever they make. Until then, a line-skipping 1080P camera is just not in the running for a pro camera. Can you make OK images with a line-skipping 1080P camera? Sure. Should you be embarrassed? Yes. We are not in that business.

I saw the Canon commercial about shooting "motion stills". They should be ashamed. Just try to take a still from their motion 1080P capture...

Jim
 
Again... we have no intention to be the biggest camera company in the world... only the best.

Jim
 
This is an honest question:
Do you feel that an open dialog has gained you more respect among the smaller insider group and a bit more chiding amongst the larger arena?

Not a judgmental question at all as I consider my self among the former, but it does affect the public viewing of the company and what it wants to accomplish vs what it can or has accomplish(ed) under certain time lines.

Hoping the bug has found the roach motel.... glad you're back.
 
Jason Diamond said:
This is an honest question:
Do you feel that an open dialog has gained you more respect among the smaller insider group and a bit more chiding amongst the larger arena?

Not a judgmental question at all as I consider my self among the former, but it does affect the public viewing of the company and what it wants to accomplish vs what it can or has accomplish(ed) under certain time lines.

Hoping the bug has found the roach motel.... glad you're back.
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The minute that we think being open has significantly hurt us... we will stop being open. I sincerely hope that moment never happens.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
Again... we have no intention to be the biggest camera company in the world... only the best.

Jim
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Sounds very Hasselbladesque. :smiley:
 
We have Tattoos shooting incredible footage. 5K is everything we had hoped. We have a bug we need to squash before we can release EPIC to everyone, but don't get me wrong... this project is incredible.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
The only difference between us and the rest of the industry is that we are talking along the way. If we kept silent about the process and our targets, we would be just like the others. I now can understand why they do it like they do. But I still prefer to keep an open dialog.

Jim
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I think its awesome, especially in that you are privately held and dont need to worry about pandering to shareholders and all that nonsense.
You guys may be humbled, but what you are publicly attempting is just plain awe inspiring.

Meantime, the EPIC is slated to do a whole hell of a lot more than the R1, so remember most of us just wanted full size XLR and Standardized BNC connectors...and bigger 5K ,6K,9K and 28K sensors also sounded awesome :)

THE BUG:
Wish you guys could publicly disclose the firmware bug... perhaps some smart dudes on here could help solve it... maybe even Joseph Hutson :)

If I were to guess, Id bet its somewhere in the wireless instructions. Could the firmware be hanging on the wireless side? Causing an interference or feedback anomaly that crashes the system? Wireless tech is still sketchy imho- but without information beyond "its a firmware bug"- we cant even venture to guess.

Thanks for sharing though, and especially for the dedication to solve it. That is inpsiring and makes me all the more excited to shoot with the EPIC.

Meantime I will be forced to shoot with my 4000 ISO M-X sensor. What a bummer.
 
Let me be very clear... I fully expect the competition to release 4K cameras. They will be too late.

A quarterback throws where the receiver will be, not where he is. The industry will be behind if they are thinking 4K is the right place to be.

Jim
 
Do you have any idea on the scale of this latest bug and it's ramifications for completion of EPIC? I know things like this can be hard to guess but if we are looking at another 3-4 months before the tattoo program starts again and effectively an at years end (6 months) it gives a lot of us a good idea as to where we can be sinking some capital in before being ready to pay up for EPIC. It's only 2 weeks away from our financial years end here in Australia and investing in some more gear for tax purposes now is better than holding off another year.
 
Jannard said:
The only difference between us and the rest of the industry is that we are talking along the way. If we kept silent about the process and our targets, we would be just like the others. I now can understand why they do it like they do. But I still prefer to keep an open dialog.

Jim
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I think you did more than that. You created a cult with possessed followers!
Red movement coming throw :thumbsup:
 
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