Blackmagic Ursa LF and MF cameras

[Mike P.]

Ooouf!

LF is 12k by 8k (35.64mm x 23.32mm) and MF is 17.5k by 8k (~50.8mm x 23.32)... both include an 8tb media module?

Wonder if lower resolutions can still be full sensor like the OG Mini 12k.

For comparison, Alexa 65 is 54x25.6mm, but only 6.5k by 3.1k... and Monstro/Raptor/Raptor-X are ~25% smaller at 40.96x21.60mm and 8kx4k (aka half the resolution).

 

[Joe Walker]

Can't wait to get ahold of that MF version!

 

[Mike P.]

Very curious to know where it's going to sit price wise... Like if the Cine 17k ends up being only ~$20k (which is possible, as Grant said only the sensor's differ between it and the LF model), it'll do quite well.

 

[Phil Holland]

During the announcement, I did add the Ursa Cine 12K and 17K as well as the PYXIS into my formatCompare and other PHFX | tools.

I'm excited to test out the 12K and 17K models. Camera form factor isn't great for my purposes, but I'll figure out of that is a deal breaker. It is a small pixel however and diffraction will be a factor, typically around T4 from what I can tell. I am happy they are including a Low Pass Filter. A bit concerned about image noise as well. Also need to see what sort of calibration procedure is required, but that's down the line.

Just format chatter. Ursa Cine 12K at 8K is about the format size of Raptor at 4.5K.

8K for 8K on both, Ursa Cine 12K is about a 0.58X crop.

12K off it versus Raptor 8K, Raptor is wider, Ursa is slightly taller.

And for the 17K, it looks like this:

PHFX.COM | tools - formatCompare

RED V-Raptor 8K VV 8K 17:9 & Blackmagic Design URSA Cine 17K MF 17K Open Gate - Crop Factor Datasheet

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Fairly close to 65mm 5-perf:

PHFX.COM | tools - formatCompare

Film Motion 65mm 5-Perf & Blackmagic Design URSA Cine 17K MF 17K Open Gate - Crop Factor Datasheet

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I'll ask BMD on Monday, but I have already been told the 17K is a "stitch", which we are familiar with. Don't know if the 12K is however.

 

[Les Hillis]

Checked out the Blackmagic Ursa Cine 12K sample footage -

Had to install the latest Resolve beta, then change some project settings and do some other workarounds to keep the program from constantly and reliably crashing every few seconds while grading the 12K BRAW footage. But if they keep ironing out the bugs and I were to work within the limits of my system, I think the files would be workable.

The image quality is the best I've ever seen coming from a Blackmagic camera.

I can still see some quirky Blackmagic characteristics there, but nothing that would change my mind about the overall quality of the image.

I haven't shot any tests for myself with the camera, so there are still a lot of unknowns and possibly even some potential deal-breakers, along with all the other take it or leave it aspects that you get with Blackmagic camera's. But honestly, I'd put up with a lot of workarounds and drawbacks just to have access to images of the quality that camera's capable of capturing.

The larger 65mm/17K version of the same sensor, in almost the same camera body, will indeed be an interesting proposition.

 

[fgonz031]

A question I ask RED will also launch a full frame camera of those resolutions soon?

 

[Scott Pultz]

@Phil Holland the Ursa Cine can shoot 8k using the entire sensor without cropping.