Best Looking Red Movie

[Kemalettin Sert]

is Harjunpaa Ja Pahan Pappi..watched this on bluray.i have seen many movies on bluray and cinema which was shot on red one...but this time other big hollywood flicks looks like SD footage near this..dont know who to blame about it maybe in united states big production companies dont care about bluray quality..please enlighten me guys
Screens from bluray (be aware these are RED Footage taken with MPC from bluray not from the 21MP still camera)





oh last screenshot from Winters Bone bluray which is shot on RED ONE too.. do you think its from same cam?

 

[Jason Svatos]

Those are probably the sharpest screenshots I've ever seen from blu-ray... interesting.

 

[Michael Millichamp]

I think Winters Bone and The Social Network are the most cinematic looking films. Maybe not the best on a blue ray compared to the movie you mention, but personally the two movies, WB and TSN, are the best Cinematography wise and that's what counts. In my opinion.

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

yeah i like social network too. but most blurays look weird, like something went wrong when downconverting. i have a dark knight bluray wich is horrible when looking at jokers face

 

[Jose Alvarez]

I can just see the makeup department head running around in panic after seeing how much detail this 4k cameras can resolve!

 

[Christian Pfeil]

Strange!
Best way to avoid crappy blurays:
go for a 4k beamer and shoot your own movie...

 

[A.Fetchko]

I could be wrong here.... please jump in anybody else if I am....

But I believe Winters Bone actually went to a film print by ARRI laser and my guess would be that the resulting chemical film answer print, grain and all, is what was used for the final bluray transfer. I'm guessing that Harjunpaa Ja Pahan Pappi is a direct digital conversion from the images you have included.

 

[RivaiC]

My biggest complain about bluray is the video look motion. Most is converted to 29.97 and motion looks absolutely video ! Spoiled the cinema feel

 

[A.Fetchko]

RivalC... more often than not the film look is being destroyed by your TV's post processing, and NOT the bluray.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Or the player's own processing, which no one ever has control over. BluRay output from many players just looks terrible. Few films are converted to 29.97 for BD authoring as Rivai is saying, at least not for North American releases from the major studios. But between all the crap processing in most players and/or HDTVs, Blu-Ray is often unbearable to watch. Said it in other threads before, but most studios author BluRay discs to conform to the "lowest common denominator" of viewers. They enhance and over-sharpen and do everything they can to make it look pretty good at a 12.5ft distance from a 42" 720p (1366x768) consumer display. Put most BluRay releases on a good 1080p DLP or projector or large screen 1080p plasma and they look like shit.

If player manufacturers would take their own DVD processing and upscaling algorithms and apply those to Blu-Ray content, we might have a better experience. DVD processing within players these days has become quite good. BluRay processing is just terrible, across the entire industry. BluRay authoring is equally bad on an industry-wide scale.

I truly hope than when RED RAY finally arrives, when RED is working with major studios to get content released, that they offer proper guidance and keep studios from butchering their own films with overzealous edge enhancements and over-sharpening details to the point where grain structures start sprouting halos like a fungal infection...

 

[AnthonyFlores]

Or the player's own processing, which no one ever has control over. BluRay output from many players just looks terrible. Few films are converted to 29.97 for BD authoring as Rivai is saying, at least not for North American releases from the major studios. But between all the crap processing in most players and/or HDTVs, Blu-Ray is often unbearable to watch. Said it in other threads before, but most studios author BluRay discs to conform to the "lowest common denominator" of viewers. They enhance and over-sharpen and do everything they can to make it look pretty good at a 12.5ft distance from a 42" 720p (1366x768) consumer display. Put most BluRay releases on a good 1080p DLP or projector or large screen 1080p plasma and they look like shit.

If player manufacturers would take their own DVD processing and upscaling algorithms and apply those to Blu-Ray content, we might have a better experience. DVD processing within players these days has become quite good. BluRay processing is just terrible, across the entire industry. BluRay authoring is equally bad on an industry-wide scale.

I truly hope than when RED RAY finally arrives, when RED is working with major studios to get content released, that they offer proper guidance and keep studios from butchering their own films with overzealous edge enhancements and over-sharpening details to the point where grain structures start sprouting halos like a fungal infection...

What he said ....

 

[Petri Teittinen]

My biggest complain about bluray is the video look motion. Most is converted to 29.97 and motion looks absolutely video ! Spoiled the cinema feel

Most? Absolutely not. What are you talking about?

 

[Petri Teittinen]

But between all the crap processing in most players and/or HDTVs, Blu-Ray is often unbearable to watch. (...) Put most BluRay releases on a good 1080p DLP or projector or large screen 1080p plasma and they look like shit. If player manufacturers would take their own DVD processing and upscaling algorithms and apply those to Blu-Ray content, we might have a better experience. (...) BluRay processing is just terrible, across the entire industry. BluRay authoring is equally bad on an industry-wide scale.

Jeff, everything I've quoted above is complete and utter hogwash. You are spouting horrible misinformation and I hate to think that some users might actually believe it, and then spread it around as gospel.

If you are incapable of disabling all the various image "enhancing" features of your display, that's most certainly not the fault of the studio, the Blu-ray or the authoring shop. And contrary to what you believe (as opposed to knowing), there's very little processing of the on-disc 1080p image taking place in the player - as long as the user does not force the player to change the frame rate of the content. Hook a Blu-ray player to a 1080p24-capable display, set the player for AUTO or 1080p24, and I can guarantee it's not the player mucking up the image. Your rant about Blu-ray processing being terrible across the entire industry is quite simply total BS.

And what is all that rot about how player manufacturers should use DVD processing and upscaling algorithms for Blu-ray content? Why on earth would they apply upscaling algorithms to 1080p content which matches the maximum resolution of the display and requires no upscaling?! The player is reading 1080p frames from disc and feeding it to a 1080p display - so where would the upscaling take place and why? Additionally, algorithms created for processing DVD resolution content would be woefully inadequate for processing HD.

Now, it's true the studios have butchered some AAA-titles by applying excessive DNR and EE; I'll grant you that much. Gladiator and the theatrical version of Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring spring to mind. But Gladiator was eventually re-mastered and the new release looks exquisite, even on my 13-foot wide screen from a viewing distance of 6 feet. Warner did a new transfer of LOTR:FOTR for the Extended Edition Blu-ray release, and while we can argue ad nauseaum about the new color timing, the film looks better than ever when it comes to detail, sharpness and motion.

Most Blu-ray releases look like shit on a good 1080p DLP/projector/large plasma? Most look like shit!? Let me tell you something. Most movies look better on Blu-ray in my home theater than they do in modern digital movie theaters running Barco/Christie/whatever 2K projectors.

There's more I want to say but none of it would be anywhere near polite, so I'll just stop here.

 

[Stacey Spears]

Jeff, I agree with most of the stuff you post, but I agree with Petri on this one. I have compared several movies on BD to the DCP, on a 2k Christie, and you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. If Blu-ray looks bad to you, it is most likely your display.

As far a Blu-ray players doing additional processing, most players do not perform any additional processing on Blu-ray in source direct. Pioneer is one example that does some additional processing, which hurts the image. (Sharpness) Sony also has an issue where they are compressing the dynamic range into a smaller space and applying an S-Curve. The PS3 does not have this problem. The only thing the PS3 does is apply dither on output, which is a good thing. I recently built some new monotonicity test patterns that actually work. All previous RGB patterns that must exist as YCbCr, at some point in the chain, do not work because of 8-bit rounding errors. The patterns are designed to be used with an HDMI analyzer. I use a QuantumData 882EA. At least one magazine is now using the patterns with my analyzer. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/tech...u-ray-player-hdmi-benchmark-introduction.html The patterns show that many Blu-ray players are in fact passing out the bits from the disc unaltered.

I would be happy to demonstrate the full potential of Blu-ray to anyone in the Seattle / Bellevue area.

Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring

Before New Line was pulled back into WB, they would send every title to Lowry for processing. Lowry Digital has ruined many titles. The compressionist, at the time, rejected many masters of FOTR. Eventually New Line forced him to encode the movie. Good times!

 

[Petri Teittinen]

Before New Line was pulled back into WB, they would send every title to Lowry for processing. Lowry Digital has ruined many titles.

Ouch. I was under the impression that Lowry Digital has a good reputation. I would love to learn more about this.