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jamie parry
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thanks MichaelP
the tc24 column all works ok and the tc 24 value agrees with the "burnin" value (for a bit).
but my DV is not "captured or "imported" it's made in ffmpeg and wrapped in an mxf container.
currently there's no way in ffmpeg to drop the extra frames made in the ffmpeg transcode to DV step so you get "extras" every 5th frame or so which makes the TC 24 go out of sync.
the problem is the extra frame doesn't happen when the avid thinks it should do (because it wasn't in control of the process) so i'm slightly out of luck here i think!
currently if you want to do DV mxf able to relink back to 23.976 DNxHD or other 23.976 sources you'll have to do a metacheater ale and import as DV in a 23.976 NTSC project.
i'll be messing about tomorrow to see if i can at least help that process along.
cheers
j
the tc24 column all works ok and the tc 24 value agrees with the "burnin" value (for a bit).
but my DV is not "captured or "imported" it's made in ffmpeg and wrapped in an mxf container.
currently there's no way in ffmpeg to drop the extra frames made in the ffmpeg transcode to DV step so you get "extras" every 5th frame or so which makes the TC 24 go out of sync.
the problem is the extra frame doesn't happen when the avid thinks it should do (because it wasn't in control of the process) so i'm slightly out of luck here i think!
currently if you want to do DV mxf able to relink back to 23.976 DNxHD or other 23.976 sources you'll have to do a metacheater ale and import as DV in a 23.976 NTSC project.
i'll be messing about tomorrow to see if i can at least help that process along.
cheers
j
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sorry that it's been a while since i responded...
175 for 'offline' would just be 'file transcoding' or as you suggested 'prep'.
the reason i asked about it was that sometimes i don't really need an offline/online workflow, but DO want MXF files and an .ale to load into an avid media composer or avid DS
(now i've gotta catch up on the rest of the thread from the last fortnight.)
david
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jamfuze update 24th june 2009
jamfuze update 24th june 2009
hello everyone
today in jamfuze land....
i finally got around to looking at what those burnin thingies do
so now there are 5 options in the offline jamfuze for burn ins
NONE
ALL DATA
JUST TIMECODE AND FILENAME
ALL DATA JUST ON THE FIRST FRAME
TIMECODE AND FILENAME JUST ON THE FIRST FRAME
all in a nice typewritery font with no silly background stripe. much better.
spoke to grownup developers today.
they have stepped beyond.....and are using the red SDK ooh errr!!
i asked if they were going to do a windows jamfuze they said not yet. So maybe in the future? who knows.
the limitation for me was always that redline is mac os x only. the sdk doesn't have that limitation.
i've managed to sort out the "spaces in filepath" thing in the offline version but not yet in the online version (they're subtly and annoyingly different. what was i thinking?) anyhow time ran out today but i've got a few more hours after a promo on friday maybe i'll crack it then!
j
jamfuze update 24th june 2009
hello everyone
today in jamfuze land....
i finally got around to looking at what those burnin thingies do
so now there are 5 options in the offline jamfuze for burn ins
NONE
ALL DATA
JUST TIMECODE AND FILENAME
ALL DATA JUST ON THE FIRST FRAME
TIMECODE AND FILENAME JUST ON THE FIRST FRAME
all in a nice typewritery font with no silly background stripe. much better.
spoke to grownup developers today.
they have stepped beyond.....and are using the red SDK ooh errr!!
i asked if they were going to do a windows jamfuze they said not yet. So maybe in the future? who knows.
the limitation for me was always that redline is mac os x only. the sdk doesn't have that limitation.
i've managed to sort out the "spaces in filepath" thing in the offline version but not yet in the online version (they're subtly and annoyingly different. what was i thinking?) anyhow time ran out today but i've got a few more hours after a promo on friday maybe i'll crack it then!
j
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jamie this is just getting better and better.
make sure to stay on top of them to get the new RED SDK when it becomes available so we can take advantage of the new color science that's been put forth.
also i think people will want the option of Edgecode or Time of Day in the Burn in options
any luck with the DV25? did my method help?
make sure to stay on top of them to get the new RED SDK when it becomes available so we can take advantage of the new color science that's been put forth.
also i think people will want the option of Edgecode or Time of Day in the Burn in options
any luck with the DV25? did my method help?
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why edgecode?
why edgecode?
what do people actually use edgecode for.....
from a conforming point of view TOD is better no? lees likely to be duplicated?
i've done edgecode as on option for the mxf files in the smokeyfuze offline app i made for jason rayburn (they use a workflow to get DPXs for the smoke that relies on egecode) so i know i can do it but why.....
that's the question. genuine question.
oh yeah the dv25 thing...
i can make 640x480 DnxHD .movs easy (640x480 H264 is much faster though)
i can make an ale that references all those .movs easy
but there's no way from redline to make avid compatible audio in the QT (it's 32 bit I think) so unless the avids understand that now you're outta luck with audio
so you can batch import from the ale that i make and the timecode comes in OK now (media composer 3.5 an later)
does that cover it?
if so then i've done all i can.
I cannot make 23.976 DV from my thing. the avid DOES seem to make that kind of media in its "Import" operation which means OK tracking.
the fit option stretch works ok as long as the material is shot 16x9. if its shot 2:1 everything looks wrong. fit height/width won't work as the output is square not rectangular...
i'll include a DiamondDV option in the next jasonfuze if you like.
I don't think its any better than using red rushes an metacheater though.
j
why edgecode?
what do people actually use edgecode for.....
from a conforming point of view TOD is better no? lees likely to be duplicated?
i've done edgecode as on option for the mxf files in the smokeyfuze offline app i made for jason rayburn (they use a workflow to get DPXs for the smoke that relies on egecode) so i know i can do it but why.....
that's the question. genuine question.
oh yeah the dv25 thing...
i can make 640x480 DnxHD .movs easy (640x480 H264 is much faster though)
i can make an ale that references all those .movs easy
but there's no way from redline to make avid compatible audio in the QT (it's 32 bit I think) so unless the avids understand that now you're outta luck with audio
so you can batch import from the ale that i make and the timecode comes in OK now (media composer 3.5 an later)
does that cover it?
if so then i've done all i can.
I cannot make 23.976 DV from my thing. the avid DOES seem to make that kind of media in its "Import" operation which means OK tracking.
the fit option stretch works ok as long as the material is shot 16x9. if its shot 2:1 everything looks wrong. fit height/width won't work as the output is square not rectangular...
i'll include a DiamondDV option in the next jasonfuze if you like.
I don't think its any better than using red rushes an metacheater though.
j
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everyone who is using jamfuze...
if you grade in red alert and then use jamfuze to make media with the grade applied (use folder rsx option)
don't tick "use edgecode" when you make the RSX in red alert.
it buggers everything up!
cheers howard in NZ for finding that one!!
developers are coming on nicely and they say it is very quick from the SDK....cool!
I want faster than real time rushes on 1 mac. keep your fingers crossed people!
j
if you grade in red alert and then use jamfuze to make media with the grade applied (use folder rsx option)
don't tick "use edgecode" when you make the RSX in red alert.
it buggers everything up!
cheers howard in NZ for finding that one!!
developers are coming on nicely and they say it is very quick from the SDK....cool!
I want faster than real time rushes on 1 mac. keep your fingers crossed people!
j
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If you shoot slow motion the TOD TC can overlap between shots.
Edgecode will start a new clip where you stopped the last one.
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ok cool
ok cool
thanks for the info Jörgen
is there anywhere where the shooting fps is reported in the metadata (so not 25fps or 23.976 but 120fps or whatever?)
then i could switch to edgecode automatically if an "off speed" shoot was done.
or is it just best to use edge code always?
j
ok cool
thanks for the info Jörgen
is there anywhere where the shooting fps is reported in the metadata (so not 25fps or 23.976 but 120fps or whatever?)
then i could switch to edgecode automatically if an "off speed" shoot was done.
or is it just best to use edge code always?
j
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If you conform with just reel (A001) and TC then edgecode is theoretically safer. But because of human error on set, the same reel could be created twice and then a duplicate Reel and Edgecode is likely to happen as well.
The best way to ensure a proper conform is to use the full red naming convention (A001_C001_0101XX) or at least reel + clip# (A001C001) with TOD. The conform software should be reading the metadata inside the file and not the filename which could be changed by the user by mistake.
So unless you shoot a complete feature in slow motion with sloppy camera assistants :001_tongue: then I believe TOD is best...
I also think that alternating between EC and TOD for certain clips is complicated and unnecessary.
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need a copy of jamfuze! please help
need a copy of jamfuze! please help
Anyone got a copy of jamfuze they could email me? The author was supposed to put it up 4 me today but it's not up. Thanks!!!! I need it asap. I cant wait for the upgrade. I also cant wait to get the upgrade when it's ready!
please send it to
travisauclair@mac.com
thanks
need a copy of jamfuze! please help
Anyone got a copy of jamfuze they could email me? The author was supposed to put it up 4 me today but it's not up. Thanks!!!! I need it asap. I cant wait for the upgrade. I also cant wait to get the upgrade when it's ready!
please send it to
travisauclair@mac.com
thanks
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you'll need to wait for Jamie. As anyone who has it now is privately beta testing.
And your double posting won't speed things up.
-James
And your double posting won't speed things up.
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bless you for your lovely interest.
it's nice to be needed.....
i'm sorry it took so long. real work got in the way.
www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/fuze.zip
not reallly totally tested everything on it. will test tomorrow. hope all is ok though.
beta testing means suffering through my mistakes. sorry mate
***************************************KNOWN ISSUES*************************************************
be aware that the version i can put up
WILL HAVE A MEMORY LEAK IN iT...
so it will crap out after some files 20-30 ish (dependant on your RAM I guess) this is fixed in the real thing but i can't send that out yet.
DO NOT render to the desktop and pick delete intermediates as this will get rid of your .mov files on the desktop... forever.
no rsx processing in the online bit (maybe tomorrow)
don't tick "use edgecode" in red alert (under timecode) and then process using folder RSXs a this will make the files not link to anything properly.
if the decomposed clips EDL you use has asked for handles beyond the point that the R3D has material, redline failed on me once but seems OK now (weirdly) so if this happens- do an EDL of offline only stuff and do it with no handles and send jamfuze that new edl (it'll only be a few shots in the show usually so my editors tell me...) this is not an issue in the real thing as lots of error trapping is done by the proper developers, wheras I do none (we don't make mistakes do we???)
that's it I think...
j
it's nice to be needed.....
i'm sorry it took so long. real work got in the way.
www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/fuze.zip
not reallly totally tested everything on it. will test tomorrow. hope all is ok though.
beta testing means suffering through my mistakes. sorry mate
***************************************KNOWN ISSUES*************************************************
be aware that the version i can put up
WILL HAVE A MEMORY LEAK IN iT...
so it will crap out after some files 20-30 ish (dependant on your RAM I guess) this is fixed in the real thing but i can't send that out yet.
DO NOT render to the desktop and pick delete intermediates as this will get rid of your .mov files on the desktop... forever.
no rsx processing in the online bit (maybe tomorrow)
don't tick "use edgecode" in red alert (under timecode) and then process using folder RSXs a this will make the files not link to anything properly.
if the decomposed clips EDL you use has asked for handles beyond the point that the R3D has material, redline failed on me once but seems OK now (weirdly) so if this happens- do an EDL of offline only stuff and do it with no handles and send jamfuze that new edl (it'll only be a few shots in the show usually so my editors tell me...) this is not an issue in the real thing as lots of error trapping is done by the proper developers, wheras I do none (we don't make mistakes do we???)
that's it I think...
j
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I played around with it and that's really great!!
I would suggest to loose .mov in the Tape Name.
So, the JamFuze Online tool is compatible with the redrushes workflow, if you want to use redrushes for DV dailies.
But again, your tool seems really great. Can't wait to see the official release.
cheers
I would suggest to loose .mov in the Tape Name.
So, the JamFuze Online tool is compatible with the redrushes workflow, if you want to use redrushes for DV dailies.
But again, your tool seems really great. Can't wait to see the official release.
cheers
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hey marc
hey marc
marc
lose the .mov in which bit?
the offline or online bit?
does red rushes make DV directly now?
or is the method to make "some" quicktimes fromm RR and import into an avid dv project?
i think i can add it as an option but i'm wary of adding too many options cos they confuse the hell out of me!!
today i have made the interface brushed metal "ooohhh! ahhhh!"
and done a check box to make your current settings the default ones for the next time you open jamfuze
also "use folder RSX" for the online is done.
www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/fuze.zip
for the shiny metal rsx enabled version.....
cool
j
hey marc
marc
lose the .mov in which bit?
the offline or online bit?
does red rushes make DV directly now?
or is the method to make "some" quicktimes fromm RR and import into an avid dv project?
i think i can add it as an option but i'm wary of adding too many options cos they confuse the hell out of me!!
today i have made the interface brushed metal "ooohhh! ahhhh!"
and done a check box to make your current settings the default ones for the next time you open jamfuze
also "use folder RSX" for the online is done.
www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/fuze.zip
for the shiny metal rsx enabled version.....
cool
j
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No, not directly. Make QT Wrappers and ALE with RR and batch import it with DV Compression > These clips don't have .mov as a tape name
So if you use JamFuze Online they don't relink with these clips because of the different tape names.
If you modify the tape name in Avid so that they match all relink fine.
Maybe you don't need .mov in both bits ?
So if you use JamFuze Online they don't relink with these clips because of the different tape names.
If you modify the tape name in Avid so that they match all relink fine.
Maybe you don't need .mov in both bits ?
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conforming from red rushes...err rushes
conforming from red rushes...err rushes
OK
so in the online bit of jamfuze I'll do a tickbox to say
"red rushes compatible" or something
this will take the .mov off the name (tape name) so the avid will relink
i'll do it monday and post it up monday evening.
this will do what you want yes?
does red rushes do TOD timecode by default?
i hop so...
i guess i'll test it for myself on monday.
j
conforming from red rushes...err rushes
OK
so in the online bit of jamfuze I'll do a tickbox to say
"red rushes compatible" or something
this will take the .mov off the name (tape name) so the avid will relink
i'll do it monday and post it up monday evening.
this will do what you want yes?
does red rushes do TOD timecode by default?
i hop so...
i guess i'll test it for myself on monday.
j
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jamfuze online with red rushes dv and ale offline
jamfuze online with red rushes dv and ale offline
www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/fuze.zip
hello marc
on the online jamfuze you now have a tickbox which makes the "tape" name in the avid the short version (A001) etc etc so the files relink when you do a
red rushes ale/ batch import proxies to 23.976 DV in AVID type workflow
the only thing you have to do is w
when exporting the EDL
choose REEL ID Type Cameraroll
this lets jamfuze find the right file (as it parses the EDL and does a find based on the name it finds... A001 isn't enough!)
once you've done that though and you've ticked the box "short tape name for RR workflow" it all should work
please test it and let me know...
j
jamfuze online with red rushes dv and ale offline
www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/fuze.zip
hello marc
on the online jamfuze you now have a tickbox which makes the "tape" name in the avid the short version (A001) etc etc so the files relink when you do a
red rushes ale/ batch import proxies to 23.976 DV in AVID type workflow
the only thing you have to do is w
when exporting the EDL
choose REEL ID Type Cameraroll
this lets jamfuze find the right file (as it parses the EDL and does a find based on the name it finds... A001 isn't enough!)
once you've done that though and you've ticked the box "short tape name for RR workflow" it all should work
please test it and let me know...
j
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Lil help delivering MFX from DNX36
Lil help delivering MFX from DNX36
Any one here tried Jamfuze in the meantime? I have had a good experience with it running on a mac. It makes mfx files ready to edit. let me know what you think. There is a pro version right around the corner that should be even better! I have been using it to make mfx and ale files for a edit house here. www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/mts_fuze_demo.zip
below is my current problem.
Some one on the avid forums said....
"Hi.
Do you have MC installed on your machine?
If so you can fast import the DNxHD QTs from RedRushes into the MC (Setting up a new
Avid MediaFiles folder structure first to keep this new media isolated) then simply
put that folder onto a FW Drive and ship to the post house."
I dont have avid mC but there is a 14 day trial I was thinking about using. So if i do this do I have to make another ale for the files avid rewrapped from quicktime to MFX? This ALE thing is a lil different than a Final cut pro workflow. Sorry I dont do avid but would like to be able to hand over these files in MFX and my clipfinder(redline) does red R3d's to DNX36 in less than a 4:1 ratio rock solid. If I use to octomacs that time gets down to less than 2:1 !!!! I can walk away and come back in the morning with DNX36 files that are all good.
The only problem is they want MFX files cuz the DNX36 still take them a 1:1.6 ratio to rewrap them into MFX. Then these mfx files are sent somewhere to be be relinked to the r3d's on a baselight. Then once colored they are sent back in MFX form to the edit house. LIL HELP?
j
Lil help delivering MFX from DNX36
Any one here tried Jamfuze in the meantime? I have had a good experience with it running on a mac. It makes mfx files ready to edit. let me know what you think. There is a pro version right around the corner that should be even better! I have been using it to make mfx and ale files for a edit house here. www.jamieparry.demon.co.uk/mts_fuze_demo.zip
below is my current problem.
Some one on the avid forums said....
"Hi.
Do you have MC installed on your machine?
If so you can fast import the DNxHD QTs from RedRushes into the MC (Setting up a new
Avid MediaFiles folder structure first to keep this new media isolated) then simply
put that folder onto a FW Drive and ship to the post house."
I dont have avid mC but there is a 14 day trial I was thinking about using. So if i do this do I have to make another ale for the files avid rewrapped from quicktime to MFX? This ALE thing is a lil different than a Final cut pro workflow. Sorry I dont do avid but would like to be able to hand over these files in MFX and my clipfinder(redline) does red R3d's to DNX36 in less than a 4:1 ratio rock solid. If I use to octomacs that time gets down to less than 2:1 !!!! I can walk away and come back in the morning with DNX36 files that are all good.
The only problem is they want MFX files cuz the DNX36 still take them a 1:1.6 ratio to rewrap them into MFX. Then these mfx files are sent somewhere to be be relinked to the r3d's on a baselight. Then once colored they are sent back in MFX form to the edit house. LIL HELP?
j