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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Atomos Samurai and Scarlett-X - VOTE HERE!

So having read this thread it appears the only minor downsides of using the Samurai are....

1) Need to enlarge the image slightly in post to remove bordering..(subject to a pending upgrade by Red )

2) Doesn't record same clip seq. numbers as Scarlet......(subject to a pending software upgrade by Atomos)

3) You need an SSD loaded in Scarlet to trigger auto start /stop recording.

Did I miss anything else ?
 
Just to clarify again for those who didn't see my earlier post. We are in partnership with Atomos on a few projects, and we will be doing a very thorough review/bts of the samurai and our Scarlet. Our Scarlet ships shortly so as soon as we receive it we will put it through the motions with the Samurai. I think great things will be coming from this mashup.
 
I'd trust Atomos in getting things right with the Samurai too. They fixed the issues in the Ninja much faster than AJA did for the Ki Pro Mini (which still has some issues).

The only downside when compared to the PIX 240 is the weaker analog audio section. If you get audio in digitally from the camera, it doesn't matter. The audio on Epic and Scarlet is pretty good, BTW.
 
As long as you don't get massive vibration or hard knocks, drives are OK. I always have several trays with hard disks and one 128 GB SSD to cover such situations.
 
Hi, yes im using the hyperdeck Shuttle. At the beginning, it was a little - how i could say, useless. With the DNxHD supprot in both Versions (mxf and mov Containers), the Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle becomes handy. You can Recorde 10 Bit 1080p over HDMI or HDSDI, eject the SSD and copieng the date direct to AVID and start to cut. We use a oder AVID Sysem on PC, thats way we could use it. Red RAW is super, if we have VFX, but most of the time, as some one said, the client would not pay 4k or 5k on a EPIC. The transcodingtime is away and we also use in someways DNxHD in Premiere, AfterEffects and Fusion. One Codec in 1080p with 10bit, fast, a Mastercodec with 220Mbit ( not like the normal ProRes Crap ) and all the system could read it.
I case of some parts with a higher resolution is needet, the client pays for it, we recordit on RAW and DNxHD. The cut has a proper Cut-Res and the VFX Guys are happy.
Strangly, on a Alexa it is the other way ;-)
 
Hi,

I'd recommend a SSD drive if you can afford it. It doesn't have to be super huge. A couple might be good so you can download one and run with another.

The benefit of the sad drive to me is that you can drag and drop files quicker to your computer, storage system or clients computer. The shuttle bay is handy. You will appreciate it!

If you have and SDI output I'd recommend the Samurai. HDMI cables connections can become fidgety after awhile and you could risk an intermittent signal. The Samurai has mini connectors, which at first glance seems silly but the adapter cable takes the wear and tear of constant plugging and unplugging and the thinness of the SDI cable allows for better cable management. A surprise to me. The Samurai also has a video out.

Atomos seems to be responsive in updating firmware and seem to be adding value to the device as they do so.
 
Mike Garrick said:
2) Doesn't record same clip seq. numbers as Scarlet......(subject to a pending software upgrade by Atomos)
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That means I can't open XML in Redcine-x after editing offline Samurai files in FCP?
 
Hi,


I have a samourai and a Pix 240. Did not try them very much but i can do some tests if you want. I bought these two recorder for 2 camera. Today, i like the 2 and can not say wich one i should have choose.

The + for the samourai :
weight and batteries +++
price
the company that goes quick

The - for the samourai :
the screen (really awfull)
the Red informations through hdsdi (at this time)
no sound monitoring

The + for the pix :
the big sound device quality
the screen
the ambient clock inside
HD SDI AND hdmi
the great great great sound
the company that goes quick too

The - for the pix 240 :
the weight


If i had to make a choice today ? Sorry, I don't know... If the purppose is just recording (and i firmware of the samourai groth up), the samourai could be my choice. If you need a second monitor on field, audio recorder, clock for synchro, (and others), the PIX is for you. So I have to use them both to have a better opinion.


Olivier
 
Is anyone having trouble getting an image into their Samurai from EPIC? I just got one and the image (whether recording or monitoring) is messed up as if it were set for the wrong timecode. But as I change the EPIC between 23.98 and 24p, the Samurai seems to be adjusting accordingly. (have tc set to HD-SDI). Maybe I'm missing something simple. I have put in two tickets to Atomos on their website and no reply for days. Here's a video showing what the image I'm getting looks like: http://web.me.com/lostmanscreek/Site_96/Samurai.html
 
i'm getting exactly the same image off my scarlet onto my brand new samurai...anyone have the answer
 
We ordered an Atomos Samurai for our Scarlet, and the performance was great for the first six hours on set. Footage played back flawlessly. We were on setup #9, our AC was setting up the rig, and suddenly, the Samurai showed 0k on disk. Trying not to panic, we checked and rechecked... then we panicked. We had lost the last six hours of shooting - no warning, nothing. The SSD was suddenly unformatted. Luckily, we'd been recording to the Samurai as a backup and an offline edit - and everything had been recorded on our Scarlet media.

We unplugged it, sent it back and bought a Pix.
 
@ Bob

I have a job coming up where I'm needing dailies to an editor cutting on FCP 7. I was thinking of dual recording onto Red SSD and Samurai as the Pro res recorder. ( BTW it's amazing how FCP 7 a unloved piece of software by apple is still highly used in the industry ).

Anyway given I last posted on this thread sometime ago I was wondering if you could maybe give a short update where Atomos is with compatability & Scarlet ? This job is happening in the next month . Thanks In advance.
 
Well, RED will hopefully have there firmware update on monday which will allow a proper raster through the SDI. Atomos has not released 3.0 yet. It was supposed to be released April30th. I would hope any day now for it though. Fingers crossed for both of these next week.



Mike Garrick said:
@ Bob

I have a job coming up where I'm needing dailies to an editor cutting on FCP 7. I was thinking of dual recording onto Red SSD and Samurai as the Pro res recorder. ( BTW it's amazing how FCP 7 a unloved piece of software by apple is still highly used in the industry ).

Anyway given I last posted on this thread sometime ago I was wondering if you could maybe give a short update where Atomos is with compatability & Scarlet ? This job is happening in the next month . Thanks In advance.
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Hey Bob

Thanks for that........... fingers crossed for updates.

I know its a big ask..... but when the atomos update is released can you maybe post your opinions on this thread.

Many thanks, Mike
 
I got this response from Atomos about the 3.0 release.

"AtomOS 3.0 is in final preparation and testing stages, we expect this to be released mid-May but may be subject to change.

We are sorry we missed our release date and will keep registered users up to date with news."




Mike Garrick said:
Hey Bob

Thanks for that........... fingers crossed for updates.

I know its a big ask..... but when the atomos update is released can you maybe post your opinions on this thread.

Many thanks, Mike
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I have gone through 2 Samurais and both failed to work properly with first my Red One then my new Epic. Has anyone got a Samurai working with an Epic? My new Samurai recorded images initially but the HDSDI trigger would turn it on but not turn it off. Then the second time I used it images became broken up on screen and the recorded images had instabilities. I tried it on another video camera with 108050i and the same problem. I have given up and returned it.
 
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