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ATOM 600 KV for KOMODO Update

Option A seems like the better option until you notice that the rear connectors on the Komodo look like they would be blocked by the design. The real question is how accessible would the connections be with option A and would the added camera width/atypical battery attachment be a worthwhile trade off.
 
It’s just too much bulk. Especially when a v mount battery is added. This camera is built for a tiny footprint. One handed and two handed gimbals are going to love the Komodo and I don’t know about everybody else, but for those scenarios I’m not going to have the wireless attached to the camera, it will be on the gimbal, and that is a scenario that really calls for wireless for focus pulling. This product idea is nice for people who were already considering a v mount back but with the size, life, and affordability of the canon batteries I think that’s going to be the most popular choice for power and the reason RED chose it. Companies like Vaxis and Cinegear found their niche in the mid-level options for people who didn’t want to pay the high price of a teradek but now even the really cheap options are performing well. The Hollyland 400S is only $360, has SDI and performs like a champ in the situations I’ve used it in. I think there will be a market for this because I think the Komodo is going to sell REALLY well and there are people who just really like the streamlined appeal of having things built in. Big picture though, I think Vaxis needs to have the same realization that RED did which was, to stay a player amongst these new products able to do 90 percent of the job, we need an option that’s cheaper and smaller.
 
Jason Henne said:
It’s just too much bulk. Especially when a v mount battery is added. This camera is built for a tiny footprint. One handed and two handed gimbals are going to love the Komodo and I don’t know about everybody else, but for those scenarios I’m not going to have the wireless attached to the camera, it will be on the gimbal, and that is a scenario that really calls for wireless for focus pulling. This product idea is nice for people who were already considering a v mount back but with the size, life, and affordability of the canon batteries I think that’s going to be the most popular choice for power and the reason RED chose it. Companies like Vaxis and Cinegear found their niche in the mid-level options for people who didn’t want to pay the high price of a teradek but now even the really cheap options are performing well. The Hollyland 400S is only $360, has SDI and performs like a champ in the situations I’ve used it in. I think there will be a market for this because I think the Komodo is going to sell REALLY well and there are people who just really like the streamlined appeal of having things built in. Big picture though, I think Vaxis needs to have the same realization that RED did which was, to stay a player amongst these new products able to do 90 percent of the job, we need an option that’s cheaper and smaller.
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This is why I said it's nice for those who need it. I don't own a gimbal and will never own one, just because I think this kind of technical accessory will be obsolete in a couple of years.
In-camera stabilization (maybe combined with post-stabilization software) will be implemented even in top notch cinema cameras like ARRI and RED, no doubt about that. (hopefully in DSMC3)
This is another advantage of todays high-res sensors since IQ won't suffer too much. (just take a little wider lens to compensate, if this would be neccessary at all)
As you already might know, Canon announced in-camera stabilization for their EOS R5, so combined with their IS lenses you probably won't need a bulky/heavy gimbal setup at all.
Anyway, I guess the reason for having V-Mount included in the ATOM 600 KV is to power lens motors, etc., since Jarred mentioned that the canon BP-955/975 batteries could not deliver enough amps to power such a setup.
Remember that Komodo works with half the Volts compared to a DSMC2, and therefore the camera draws more amps
(might be around 4.5-5 amps, or at least more than the DSMC2 family). Let's hope that someone releases a BP-900 battery which can handle higher power draw and provides an auxiliary power port.
Another point to consider is to leave the heavy, bulky/MF cinema prime lenses and lens motors in the storing case for gimbal use, because we will be able to control FIZ wirelessly via Komodos built in antenna and controller if we use EF/RF lenses.
Anyway, I cannot understand why someone would mount a heavy cine lens on this small, lightweight camera when there are smaller/lighter alternatives (e.g. RF/EF/M-Mount lenses).

But I totally agree with you, if I would use Komodo on a gimbal, I'd also have it set up like you mentioned before - and by the way:
If someone would use a bigger V-Mount battery on-camera on a gimbal setup, yes, in this case I'd recommend Vaxis' version A, too.
Honestly, I haven't tested so far, if powering issues occur when a V-Mount is lying on its side, but it is hard to imagine, since my V-Mount batteries are being held so firmly.
(guess it's just an east coast (pro AB) vs. west coast (pro V-Mount) thing/myth)
I rather thought it could cause issues inside the cell chemistry, but I trust IDX's statement and so I probably will give it a try to use a micro V-Lock mounted sideways on Komodo for certain setups.
Nevertheless, I see the ATOM 600 KV as a really good compromise, able to be used on a gimbal and still providing more connections than Komodo has, to power accessories.
I guess everyone who's using Komodo as their A-Cam will also look for a V-/AB-Mount solution for bigger rigs. And the ATOM 600 KV can and will be used in all kinds of setups (not just on a gimbal),
just because it can be used as "I/O module", providing wireless video feed additionally. Looking forward to all other accessories to be released.
 
Caution! These are the wrong batteries (BPA's). Komodo works with BP-900 series batteries (955 or 975). Jarred already wrote about it in the Komodo thread. As you can see, the BPA's have the wrong voltage. Komodo's Canon BP-Mount works with roughly 7.4V only, so you would need another adapter which cuts down the voltage. The DC IN port works with ~12-14.8V. That's why I was hoping for a BP-900 series battery 7.2-7.4V which can handle higher power draw (amps), including an additional power port.

*ignore this if your suggestion was for Vaxis only, in this case I agree, it would be a quite smart solution, if possible*
 
Thomas B. said:
Caution! These are the wrong batteries (BPA's). Komodo works with BP-900 series batteries (955 or 975). Jarred already wrote about it in the Komodo thread. As you can see, the BPA's have the wrong voltage. Komodo's Canon BP-Mount works with roughly 7.4V only, so you would need another adapter which cuts down the voltage. The DC IN port works with ~12-14.8V. That's why I was hoping for a BP-900 series battery 7.2-7.4V which can handle higher power draw (amps), including an additional power port.

*ignore this if your suggestion was for Vaxis only, in this case I agree, it would be a quite smart solution, if possible*
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Correct, this thread is about Vaxis.

Powering Komodo thread is here.
 
Here’s an idea. Not sure if it is feasible but it sure would be cool to have as an option.

Include with the unit or as some type of optional accessory a type of belt pack that the Atom 600kv could attach to via the dual Canon BP connectors already built in (the “dummy batteries”). Then, include a cable (maybe offer multiple lengths) that would connect to the DC in on the Komodo from a lemo type port on the belt pack unit. This would allow the unit to be used off of the camera which could come in handy in many of the situations that Komodo excels in like gimbals etc. It would allow the battery and video transmission to be mounted as one unit off of the camera itself and elegantly connect while reducing weight and bulk.

I haven’t looked into the DC in requirements of the Komodo and I’m not sure if this would be completely possible but it seems like it could work and would definitely be helpful.
 
Andreas Eymannsberger said:
Great that you are asking in the first place! :smiley: I'm aware of the inline idea, just wanted to point out that minimizing the footprint to an extreme always comes with compromises and the universality of the KV 600 is something I wouldn't trade in for some last percent of smaller package size.

Have you thought about offering a buffer solution within the KV 600? As it does so many things already - could you theoretically squeeze in a buffer battery?
As there is already the conversion happening, any space left for a buffer?

This wouldn't be a dealbreaker of course if not, it's just something that - as people pointed out before - is something many people would appreciate, e.g. the dual Canon-Slot request.
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Your feedback is great and we're definitely listening. The ATOM 600 KV is a video transmitter so our primiary focus will be to make that aspect perform as expected. The power is just an added benefit.
 
Gregory Karydis said:
Option A looks like the way to go.
You can fit these GDU bad boys in there and it won't throw the whole thing off balance.

Unless you go for something like those GDU Mini V-Locks, then Option B is asking for trouble.

Komodo is meant to be an action/crash/drone cam first and foremost.
So anything that is not centered perfectly or protrudes from the sides is a no-go.

@Mike Lu, any chance you will offer a flexible but protected SDI input from the camera out?
Would suck if after a few hard bumps the camera SDI is knocked out of its place.
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Both designs should allow for plenty of clearance on the IO at the bottom of the KOMODO.
 
Alex Stolpakov said:
+ Big One. A is the way to go.
If it's possible to have antennas not mushroom, but in a small box ( C version ). It will be great benefit for longevity of antennas.
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We will offer other antennas that you'll be able to purchase if the mushroom antenna is not your preference.
 
Ethan VerKuilen said:
Greatly appreciate you asking our opinion, Mike.

Any word on a dedicated receiver to pair with this transmitter?

If so, any chance that receiver could have a Canon BP plate on it? 3 battery different systems and chargers isn't something anyone wants to deal with :)

Option A seems to be the way to go in my eyes.

Having 3 separate bundles would be ideal.

A package bundled with 1 transmitter and 2 receivers // 1 transmitter and 1 receiver // Just the transmitter.

Not sure what is possible, but prices of $1,200 // $900 // $600 would make me very happy.
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Yeah that is something we're looking into as well but can't make any promises.
 
Robert Kirk said:
Option A seems like the better option until you notice that the rear connectors on the Komodo look like they would be blocked by the design. The real question is how accessible would the connections be with option A and would the added camera width/atypical battery attachment be a worthwhile trade off.
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Option A will have enough clearance for the IO but for sure Option B will make getting to them an easier task.
 
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