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Arrow 55 Group Buy?

I am interested as well in the Miller. I think I would want the biggest Miller head and I think that is the DS-60. The Oconnor is just so damn expensive!
Put me in, price pending of course.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Miller is contractually obligated to sell through their dealer network, of which Abel is one. A group buy deal could be put together, but a dealer would have to be involved. If you or Miller would like us to be the ones then we're happy to work with you. This is what we did on the big Arri mattebox & followfocus group buy.
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I'm still waiting to hear back from Miller on the group buy, and as more info comes in I'll post it. If we have to go through an authorized dealer, it's probably just as well to go through you guys as anyone else. Hopefully your transaction markup is minimal.

Sometimes I think all of us independents should get together and form a consumer cooperative.
 
Mitch Gross said:
The original Arri is deal is done, closed out back in January. But since then we've instituted a special RED kit price on these and other items. Information is available on our website's RED store or you can always contact us directly for a quote.
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Mitch, what about the the smaller cheaper Arri matte box you spoke about a while back. i am waiting on my RedRock order to see what you will have from Arri.
 
I hope to be able to announce something next week, but I'm not promising. It won't be a group buy deal; we have so many people interested that there's no way we could justify any group buy deals.
 
I'm interested too, for two!
 
Gibby said:
IMO the Miller 55 is one of the very best tripod choices a RED One owner or user can make. No, I haven't been using Miller throughout my career. In fact I've traditionally used O'Connor, Vinten, and Sachtler, which are all excellent tripod lines. I have no connection with Miller or a Miller dealer - I just happen to really like their tripods after putting them to extreme testing for over a year now with RED One. They're good tripods...
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Hi Gibby (or anyone else with the relevant experience and is brand agnostic),

Can I ask you... in your experience, is the sinusoidal counterbalance system of the O'Connor tripod heads a significant advantage? That is the one feature that attracts me to them over the rest. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it appears that it offers the ability to balance the camera at any angle from full forward to full backward tilt so that it'll stay wherever it's put regardless of the extreme angle it may be at, something the Miller cannot fully emulate.

Cheers - Mike.
 
is it just me or is the 150mm accepted more because of jibs, dollies, cranes etc...???
 
supernovafilms said:
is it just me or is the 150mm accepted more because of jibs, dollies, cranes etc...???
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Most of these rigs will have a Mitchell mount, to which you can adapt from both 100mm AND 150mm
 
At the IBC I had a look at the Miller offerings, and the 55 has a lovely feel to it, smooth, even pans.

They also did a presentation of their new Solo sticks, which are not the fastest to set up, but rock solid from about a foot off the ground (the guy actually stepped on it) to 2 meters (this time he was hanging from it). Folds to a size you can attach to a backpack.

I am officially impressed.
 
Martin Weiss said:
At the IBC I had a look at the Miller offerings, and the 55 has a lovely feel to it, smooth, even pans.

They also did a presentation of their new Solo sticks, which are not the fastest to set up, but rock solid from about a foot off the ground (the guy actually stepped on it) to 2 meters (this time he was hanging from it). Folds to a size you can attach to a backpack.

I am officially impressed.
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Thats the one I need. Do you have a part number? Whats the payload of the sticks?
 
Martin Weiss said:
At the IBC I had a look at the Miller offerings, and the 55 has a lovely feel to it, smooth, even pans.

They also did a presentation of their new Solo sticks, which are not the fastest to set up, but rock solid from about a foot off the ground (the guy actually stepped on it) to 2 meters (this time he was hanging from it). Folds to a size you can attach to a backpack.
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Mizael said:
Thats the one I need. Do you have a part number? Whats the payload of the sticks?
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With my Miller Arrow 55 head for loads above 40 pounds I usually use my Miller alloy legs. But for every-day mobile shooting with head loads below 40 pounds I use the Miller 1505 VJ SOLO CF legs with my Miller Arrow 55 head. The 1505 VJ SOLO legs have a 100mm bowl and are rated for up to 66-pound loads - much more weight than you'd normally mount during a mobile environment production. I like the SOLO legs. They're easy to use, don't need a spreader, are light to carry, support a light to medium weight RED One rig very well, and they are adjustable down to very close to the ground.

Changing the Miller 55 head between my two sets of legs (alloy and SOLO CF) only takes a few minutes. There’s a shoulder strap you can get for the SOLO legs so you can sling the tripod over your shoulder for trekking, or as Martin mentioned, you can strap it to a backpack.

The 1505 VJ CF legs do well with a Miller 55 head, so if someone does a lot of very mobile, medium rig weight work, IMO they're a very good choice. I use them and I really like them.

When I get a chance, on this thread later this week I’ll post some pics of my two different Miller 55 leg setups out in the field being used.
 
Mizael said:
thanks gibby
the 1505 VJ SOLO CF is the same as the SOLO ENG - Stellar ENG or EFP support?
The arrow 55 and VJ SOLO looks perfect. I just think I would regret getting an Arrow 40.
But i dont see the 55 and SOLO legs sold as a kit anywhere.
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They list a SOLO ENG package (SOLO 1505 + Arrow 40) in catalogs. The Arrow 55 and Arrow 40 heads look and weigh about the same. Both have 100mm bowls, so they easily mount on the SOLO legs. The Arrow 40 head would do fine for someone with RED One if they never mounted real heavy loads above 40 pounds. There are people with REDs who are in that category - who just do mobile documentaries, and a mix of mobile cine and EFP production.

The Arrow 55 and 1505 SOLO legs are not offered as a kit from Miller, even though the 1505 legs are rated for 66 pounds - well above the rating for the Arrow 55 head. The biggest head Miller offers in a kit with the 1505 SOLO legs is the Arrow 40. I simply did some fact checking, saw that the 1505 legs had a 100mm bowl, were rated for 66 pounds, checked with Miller to be sure the Arrow 55 would mount OK (which they verified), bought the 1505 legs from B&H, and the setup has worked great.

For someone on a tight budget who can't afford a new Miller 55 head, they might be able to find a reconditioned Miller 55 head for a good price (as Jeff Kilgroe did), buy the 1505 SOLO legs separate, and it takes about 2 minutes to mount the 55 head on the SOLO legs.
 
Gibby said:
just do mobile documentaries, and a mix of mobile cine and EFP production.
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That sounds like me, but i will do a lot of long lens (wildlife) too, maybe with some heavier lenses.
Is it right that both the arrow 40 and 55 are 3.2 kg?
I also just noticed there is only £300-400 difference?
In that case i would go for the 55, if its the same weight
I was only thinking of saving weight with the 40
hmm
55 it is then! hehe
at least thats solved.
 
Mizael said:
That sounds like me, but i will do a lot of long lens (wildlife) too, maybe with some heavier lenses.
Is it right that both the arrow 40 and 55 are 3.2 kg?
I also just noticed there is only £300-400 difference?
In that case i would go for the 55, if its the same weight
I was only thinking of saving weight with the 40
hmm
55 it is then! hehe
at least thats solved.
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Long lens wildlife is one of the genres I shoot. For wildlife long lens work, I own and regularly use on my Miller 55: Canon 150-600 f/5.6L zoom, Nikon 400 f/3.5 AIS, RED 300 f/2.8, and Nikon 50-300 f/4.5 AIS zoom. I also have 2x and/or a 1.4x for each of these lenses.

The Arrow 40 will work fine with RED loads up to 40 pounds. If you use loads above that, which I sometimes do, then the Arrow 55 is the ticket.
 
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