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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

anyone teaching grading on redcine?

Björn Benckert said:
Resolve is the way to go no other option has such momentum as BMC does. Their approach where they only charge for hardware and gives the softwares away for free has really blown all other out of the water. It's the way to build client base and in the end thats all that counts.
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If by "the way to build client base" you mean distorting and eventually destroying the professional color grading market, then, I guess, "that's all that counts". Adobe did the same with Photoshop by buying up competitors or bulling all newcomers, while BM does the same by giving the software away for free. I don't want to live in the world, where there is no more innovation, like with Photoshop now. But that is where we're heading...
 
Eric Santiago said:
With all this talk about Noise Reduction, whats everyone's opinion on Resolve compared to NEAT?
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It's only the first iteration of the new algorithm of temporal NR. It's actually pretty good already. In time it will get even better and it can, with enough GPU, work in real time, unlike Neat.
 
Resolve Lite has always been able to "handle Red's 4k" so far as I know but it's output has been limited, and remains so. UHD is not equivalent to "Red 4k."

Sean Lee said:
Thanks Matthew and Scott.

Hmm... if the latest Lite is able to handle Red's 4K, then I could potentially use Red Giant's Denoiser for noise reduction.
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jake blackstone said:
And Remote grading and 3D and remote databases and a true 4K. Personally, I don't think "professional colorist" and "Resolve Lite" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
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This is sad but very true.
 
Matthew Scott said:
NO WAY! It's sluggish, slow and painful compared to resolve.
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I don't have any experience with either one.

I've seen youtube/vimeo clips of Stu colour grade using Colorista which looked straightforward. Colorista is his baby though so I don't know if he was making it look easy.

I've also seen youtube clips of people colour grading with Resolve and to my untrained eyes it looks a tad more complicated.
 
Sean Lee said:
I've seen youtube/vimeo clips of Stu colour grade using Colorista which looked straightforward. Colorista is his baby though so I don't know if he was making it look easy. I've also seen youtube clips of people colour grading with Resolve and to my untrained eyes it looks a tad more complicated.
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Like anything out there, color-correction systems are a highly personal choice. I've used 12 of them in the last couple of decades, some awful, some terrific, some merely OK. Resolve is a very deep program in that you can go far in its 600+ page manual and really get into the nitty gritty of stuff. If you just need to do very mild color correction, as is sometimes done for dailies, you might not ever need more than just the normal lift / gamma / gain knobs and the color wheels. (In fact, if you're generating a LUT or creating a CDL, that's what you generally have to stick with.) The complexity comes in the additional features, secondaries, keying, and so on.

Just speaking on the surface, I'm not sure how any color-correction program under $1000 can compete for free. DaVinci Lite is going to be enough for a lot of applications, provided you take some time to learn to use it.
 
I do get the impression that Resolve is a very deep program that would take me a loooong time to learn it in detail.

Out of interest, what's your opinion of Colorista?
 
Seriously, did you watch my resolve tutorial? It's not deep at all. The art of color correction / grading is the thing that you need to spend time on, not learning how the software works. That part is easy.
 
jake blackstone said:
If by "the way to build client base" you mean distorting and eventually destroying the professional color grading market, then, I guess, "that's all that counts". Adobe did the same with Photoshop by buying up competitors or bulling all newcomers, while BM does the same by giving the software away for free. I don't want to live in the world, where there is no more innovation, like with Photoshop now. But that is where we're heading...
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Dude! Ever read, who moved my cheese?
 
jake blackstone said:
It's only the first iteration of the new algorithm of temporal NR. It's actually pretty good already. In time it will get even better and it can, with enough GPU, work in real time, unlike Neat.
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thanks jake as always good to hear your angle on these things :)
 
One more question about sharpening: How does the unsharp mask in RCX-pro hold up to other sharpening tools and plugins?

(thx to all for an interesting thread)

T
 
Tom Van said:
... Initially, I thought the artist simply didn't want to share their "tricks", but I've come to realize they were telling me the truth all along.
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Hence, the name: Artist.

... but still, there is an "artistic process" ... that can be taught ... there is an approach that leads to discovery.

Transforming "boxed" thinking into artistic expression, has a lot to do with being a good lover ... :-)

Copying what others do, is NOT the way ... :-)

Two secrets are: "Working Principles" and "Drive". One is inside, one is outside. Let them connect, create original work.
 
Matthew Scott said:
Seriously, did you watch my resolve tutorial? It's not deep at all. The art of color correction / grading is the thing that you need to spend time on, not learning how the software works. That part is easy.
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Thanks for sharing those tutorials. I've looked at all the videos in this thread, and ordered the books. I'm starting to get it, and now have the resources to vastly improve my grades.

Thanks everyone; this thread is really valuable and informative.
 
James Brundige said:
Thanks for sharing those tutorials. I've looked at all the videos in this thread, and ordered the books. I'm starting to get it, and now have the resources to vastly improve my grades.

Thanks everyone; this thread is really valuable and informative.
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James,

Try this game and see how you are with color perception.

http://color.method.ac
 
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