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anyone teaching grading on redcine?

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Id like to take course or private tutor on grading, color correction for red epic files.
Both the use and the whys... was never my thing but id like to develop higher sensitivity to hues and color temps.. was always more focused on contrast..always had a color corrector guy when transfrering 16 to beta lol

Anyone know of one in the UK?
 
I don't think RedCineX Pro is ideal for color grading per se. I think it's fine for dailies and rough overall color, but you really need something like Resolve, Premiere, or anything with more range and control to get the job done. You can use a wrench as a hammer, but sometimes it's best just to use a hammer.
 
Basic Color Grading books/tutorials can help a little with RCXPro.

My photographer at work with his extensive knowledge in RAW Photography was able to show me the way in RCXPro and he doesnt even shoot RED.

Im sure there are tons of topics on the extra bits and bonuses in RCXPro on REDUSER.
 
Yes but they explain the technical side only.. I want the right vs wrong, nice vs beautiful psychological eye intuition side :) someone who can make something look its best, regardless of tool used. I grade in premiere cs6 but I thought that was the lazy way..
 
jorge krausch said:
Yes but they explain the technical side only.. I want the right vs wrong, nice vs beautiful psychological eye intuition side :) someone who can make something look its best, regardless of tool used. I grade in premiere cs6 but I thought that was the lazy way..
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right or wrong is anybodys guess :)

kidding of course.

look at your histogram and see what makes your image pop.

grading tools in Premiere are the same technically in RCXPro.

but you get the option to change your base (aka first light I do beleive) settings before stirring the chemicals ;)
 
jorge krausch said:
Yes but they explain the technical side only.. I want the right vs wrong, nice vs beautiful psychological eye intuition side :) someone who can make something look its best, regardless of tool used. I grade in premiere cs6 but I thought that was the lazy way..
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i love talking about that stuff... i'd be happy to skype with you sometime - or maybe i can get around to making some videos...

maybe somebody local will pop up, color grading is one of those things that you can't find academic programs for and most studios only want people that already know how to and have experience... :001_huh:

there are quite a few tutorials out there and some books, but most of the stuff is technical - which is great - but in the end it's very creative and philosophical, which tends to be an internal, meditative process but it sure helps to discuss it now and again.
 
Redcine-x is very limited. I second Davinci. It's also free!? http://www.rippletraining.com has some really good basic training, including training on looks. Ultimately it's just a tool, you can't teach aesthetics, with time and practice you'll get better, but yes it does help to sit with a good colorist and listen to them explain what they are doing and why.
 
jorge krausch said:
Id like to take course or private tutor on grading, color correction for red epic files.
Both the use and the whys... was never my thing but id like to develop higher sensitivity to hues and color temps.. was always more focused on contrast..always had a color corrector guy when transfrering 16 to beta lol
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You can also start off reading Alexis Van Hurkman's excellent book Color Correction Handbook, which is really well-done and goes into both the technical side and the philosophical side of why images look the way they do, and what to do when things go wrong.

His manuals on DaVinci 9.0 and 10.0 (free on Blackmagic's support link) are also very well thought-out, and provide a lot of background information on color theory and other ideas beyond the program itself.
 
jorge krausch said:
Yes but they explain the technical side only.. I want the right vs wrong, nice vs beautiful psychological eye intuition side :) someone who can make something look its best, regardless of tool used...
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This is what I want also when I see a beautifully graded piece. The psychology behind the art and the choices the artist makes to get there. And because color grading is completely subjective, I've learned the hard way that this is really difficult to teach. Believe me I went after some of the best colorist on the web and they all told me the same thing... a little contrast, a little saturation, a little grain, there's no one way, every frame is treated differently, it's all a matter of taste, practice, yada. They all say the same thing. Initially, I thought the artist simply didn't want to share their "tricks", but I've come to realize they were telling me the truth all along.

I find the more I grade, the more I get those precious "a-ha" moments which leads to "ooooh ahhhhh" moments. This is the psychology and intuition that's hard to teach.
 
Working with Red-cine X is not too hard, its easy you just need to work with it & get your final look.
But i use Both Red-cine X & after Effects for grading our final look.
 
Give me a call when you're in L.A - PM
 
You want to know about grading from a subjective/psychological point of view? Learn a lot about these things:

Art History, Vision & Color theory.

In video, I learnt a heap about grading and the psychology of vision by one simple observational trick that is expounded in theory, but not often directly observed.

Get a monitor that has component inputs being fed a 422 signal.

Plug in just the Luminance, look at the sharpness of the black and white image,

Plug in just the Blue component, look how blurry it is.

Plug in just the Red component, look how blurry it is.

Realize that definition of the image is almost entirely handle by contrast, and that color perception allows an incredibly subtle combination of low resolution colors to have stark impact on your perception of a scene.

The theory of which direction to experiment in can best be taught by subjects like Art history, the limiting factor of course being you don't have the flexibility of a painter unless you are also doing heavy compositing, because your canvas has already been mostly set by the cinematographer. Color and vision theory helps break down some of the technical barrier to understanding, because you learn the limitations of the toolset so don't start down roads that are going to lead to a broken image as often.

But neither will give you the innate feel that hours and hours of practice on many different subject matters will provide. It's one of the reasons colorists swear on using proper control services, because so much of what they do relies on a sort of synesthesia between touch and sight - they create physical memories of how adjusting the surface by touch will adjust the image they are seeing, much like musicians know the response of their instruments through feel.
 
thanks everybody :) I will follow all these advices :)
 
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