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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Announcing RED STANDARD OLPF for RED Weapon and RED Dragon.

Jonas Klittmark said:
It should be possible to measure - objectively - how much light it blocks compared to the LLO right? Are we talking half a stop?
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If it were an ND, it would be that simple, but the different OLPF colour calibrations each transmit different wavelengths of light to differing degrees. The noticeable blue tint of the STH OLPF is due to this, for example.

I know it sounds like I'm being counterproductive, but describing any one OLPF as a fixed amount brighter, darker, cleaner, noisier etc is never going to be possible.
 
I'm looking for the best all-around OLPF. I'm quite happy with the STH, but I haven't been involved in really deep low light situations yet. Even when I shot in a perfect lit environment the colorist said he thought it was a bit too noisy and hearing people say that isn't good for business. If the Standard OLPF reduce the amount of noise in the image but still have some of the quality of the STH in reproducing colors, skin tones and highlights I think that one would live in my Dragon. I'm not a big fan of switching OLPFs much, especially when on a shoot where someone else is doing it, the horror of opening up the sensor exposed to dust and everything isn't something I'm keen on happening.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
I'm not a big fan of switching OLPFs much, especially when on a shoot where someone else is doing it, the horror of opening up the sensor exposed to dust and everything isn't something I'm keen on happening.
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Me neither. This is something that I'd rather fit once and forget about.
Having said that, I've ordered a Standard to replace my STH, as I'm always fighting tight lighting budgets. But if I could work out which of John's OLPFs offered the best Alexa-like colours, diffusion and highlight roll-off then I would be highly tempted by that.
 
This is a very welcome development if this does indeed eliminate the noise of the Skin Tone OLPF and the crazy red orbs of the Low Light OLPF. Like many in here, I have resigned myself to using the LL whenever I can't control the lighting conditions (like documentaries), but then I'm getting really distracting red flares from every sharp light source that enters the frame.

Fingers crossed!

Julio
 
are weapon/ Dragon OLPF's interchangeable

are weapon/ Dragon OLPF's interchangeable

Didn't see an answer to Rory'S question and before i spend a few thousand on LoCon OLPF'S it would be great to know if they can be put in the new style tray when we upgrade to weapon
 
The Weapon and Epic Dragon OLPF units are entirely different- design, shape, glass dimensions etc. So no, there's no interchangeability between DSMC and DSMC2 designs in this regard.
 
Eric Morceau said:
https://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2015/11/reds-game-changing-olpf-filter-cinematography/
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I have to say, up until this point I pretty much favored the Skin-Tone Highlight OLPF for almost every shoot, but this was incredibly eye-opening. The skin tones do look better and more pleasing to me. Although I really liked the SSH OLPF, the green tint was slightly annoying. This seems to be completely gone with the new Standard. Just WOW!
 
Have to say that the grain on the Standard feels just a tad bit like DEB and no red in the shadows. It's so eye-pleasing that I've been able to shoot at 2000 ISO and it still looks like magic. Won't be switching this out for a long while.
 
Anthony Berenato Jr said:
Have to say that the grain on the Standard feels just a tad bit like DEB and no red in the shadows. It's so eye-pleasing that I've been able to shoot at 2000 ISO and it still looks like magic. Won't be switching this out for a long while.
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This is very good news. so interested to see how the Raven looks
 
Bérenger Brillante said:
It's a good test for color accuracy, but the standard being sharper looks wrong though.
on the sesond video, Standard OLPF part seems focused more on the front (and skin), while the STH part is on the back of the head (hair).

My Dragon with STH never looked so green (except with vintage lenses :) ), while the LLO is clearly reddish.
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I wonder if the software setting in camera was on Stansard throughout.
 
Glad somebody else pointed out that STH is green. I think it's just more obvious when you compare side by side.
Shane's use of the words "Dragon" and "Epic" is confusing if you're unfamiliar with RED cams. He's not consistent in the way he refers to RED bodies and sensors. But I like his testing style.
 
Stephen Williams said:
I wonder if the software setting in camera was on Stansard throughout.
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The topic is pretty error prone and very subjective.


Akin A said:
Glad somebody else pointed out that STH is green.
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My dragonised Epic with STH OLPF does not deliver green skin tones, nor has a subtle green tint to all pictures. It delivers natural colors and is a bit on soft side compared to Alexa due to the strong OLPF. Colour response to any funky kind of light is very good to say the least - very close to film and much, much better than that what we were used to in digital acquisition.

Personally I find in this test the LLO much and the new ST OLP a tad too much in the magenta direction, the SkinTone OLPF too much green tinted, none of them were convincing to me, the LLO OLPF being the most boring one. All that can be adjusted to ones liking in a colour grading application in seconds.

Very subjective. The best sentence in the test is: do your own test.

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If someone could point me to a test where the sharpness of different OLPF is discussed and clearly testified I'm interested. For my taste Red's OLPFs are a bit too strong.


Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
If someone could point me to a test where the sharpness of different OLPF is discussed and clearly testified I'm interested. For my taste Red's OLPFs are a bit too strong.
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I hear you Hans!

It would be great to include some Moiré tests too...
 
Sold.

Irrespective of colour - The tonal 'density' of the Standard OLPF creates a more convincing transition into darkness (or around the models chin where insufficient light looms).

I actually think the STH is more consistent in the hue (in that there are subtle areas on the Standard that span red to green hues where I was not anticipating to see it).

However - as a starting point for a grade - this shot seems to favour the Standard.

What I am not sure of is why the 'daytime LUT' doesn't make the model in the STH look 'perfect'. Doesn't it just need to reduce the saturation of the Blue and Red 'a bit'?
Also .. I am not sure why the same 'daytime LUT' is applied to the images take with the Standard LUT. If these images are preferred, does this mean that this 'daytime LUT' was not ideal for the STH.

(Caveat : I know relatively little about colour grading and am just trying to convince myself that the Standard OLPF can stay screwed into the camera ... when it eventually shows up!)

AJ
 
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