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Adobe Speedgrade Suggestions and Expectations thread

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1. Must have a superb multi point tracker not a simple point tracker like in After effects.
2. Must have a well rounded denoiser, nothing mediocre. Noise reduction and Sharpening are key to finishing
3. Must be able to use the Adobe media encoder for rendering
4. Must leave interface as is but Adobelize the timeline.
5. Must add lightroom and photoshops, levels, curves, and spot healing brushes,
6.Must have Rotobroush tool for advanced rotoscoped or shape color corrections.
 
If they're gonna beat Blackmagic's DaVinci Resolve "Lite," they may have to pay US to use it. ("Better than free!")
 
What is showing in Adobe.tv is the old version of Iridas SpeedGrade, nothing new. I think they are working on Lumetri, a new finishing application, more advance than Speedgrade.
But I do not understand because they are now showing a software that does not exist: where is SpeedGrade?
 
I assumed it would be like Colour Finesse that you can add like an effect but also has its own native UI as well, and is also a dynamic linked intermediate between Premiere and After Effects.
 
Manuel López Pérez said:
What is showing in Adobe.tv is the old version of Iridas SpeedGrade, nothing new. I think they are working on Lumetri, a new finishing application, more advance than Speedgrade.
But I do not understand because they are now showing a software that does not exist: where is SpeedGrade?
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Oh - I understood this, but the way the video is presented is as though Speedgrade is becoming another application in Production Premium. :)
 
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Marc Wielage said:
If they're gonna beat Blackmagic's DaVinci Resolve "Lite," they may have to pay US to use it. ("Better than free!")
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Nope. They just have to make it a better tool than Resolve "Lite". And they will.

How much money does BM make giving away "Lite"? IMO it's just a free trial to get you to use and like the app and then but the $1K version and BM IO card. It is a smart move IMO because you get students AKA "next generation" using the app because of access - just like Apple did with FCP.

There are many things Adobe can do that would beat Resolve "Lite" and Resolve -
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Nope. They just have to make it a better tool than Resolve "Lite". And they will.

How much money does BM make giving away "Lite"? IMO it's just a free trial to get you to use and like the app and then but the $1K version and BM IO card. It is a smart move IMO because you get students AKA "next generation" using the app because of access - just like Apple did with FCP.

There are many things Adobe can do that would beat Resolve "Lite" and Resolve -
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Not doubting Adobe will step up here, but Resolve is pretty solid at what it does. I just hope that roundtripping continues to improve between Resolve and all three major NLEs. Hopefully, Adobe will continue to work with companies like BMD to smooth out any issues of exchange, and not go the other way just so people use their grading app. I think it's in their best interest to keep pushing the limits of XML. If you could edit in Premiere with a smooth exchange with grading apps like Resolve and perhaps their own app via dynamic link, then it starts to increase their street cred even more. I've got the sense from Adobe that they are interested in the collaborative approach. And that really does benefit the end user. It allows us to choose the path that works best for a given project with the fewest speed bumps.
 
I can assure you of one thing, even though Resolve lite is free, the will be a much larger Speedgrade install base than Davinci. If adobe develops a good plug-in architecture for Speegrade....
 
Speedgrade will live and die by it's integration between Premiere Pro and After Effects. If something similar to Dynamic Link can happen that would be aces. I'm hoping for the best.
 
shashbugu said:
I can assure you of one thing, even though Resolve lite is free, the will be a much larger Speedgrade install base than Davinci. If adobe develops a good plug-in architecture for Speegrade....
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I wouldn't be so sure about it. Developing the plugin infrastructure for AE is one thing. But to develop it for a real time app, like Speedgrade or Resolve is another altogether. And who said, that when the time comes BM will be unwilling to do that as well. I wouldn't be surprised, if Resolve adapts OFX plugin architecture at some point. It is a much wider accepted framework, than AE plugin architecture. Resolve is a multi GPU aware software and unless I'm mistaken, Speedgrade is not. That is a HUGE difference in my eyes. It is much easier to do real time operations with Resolve, than with Speedgrade. So far, I'm pretty underwhelmed...
 
jake blackstone said:
I wouldn't be so sure about it. Developing the plugin infrastructure for AE is one thing. But to develop it for a real time app, like Speedgrade or Resolve is another altogether. And who said, that when the time comes BM will be unwilling to do that as well. I wouldn't be surprised, if Resolve adapts OFX plugin architecture at some point. It is a much wider accepted framework, than AE plugin architecture. Resolve is a multi GPU aware software and unless I'm mistaken, Speedgrade is not. That is a HUGE difference in my eyes. It is much easier to do real time operations with Resolve, than with Speedgrade. So far, I'm pretty underwhelmed...
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I would say wait to see what adobe will come up with, they already have history with creating good software that maximizes efficiency on using simple hardware.. some apps runs much much faster than others on the same hardware
 
Mohammed El Sharqawy said:
I would say wait to see what adobe will come up with, they already have history with creating good software that maximizes efficiency on using simple hardware.. some apps runs much much faster than others on the same hardware
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Adobe is very good at buying and then bundling software, just like Microsoft. But they are virtually non existent at the high end of the post spectrum- such as Nuke, Smoke/Flame, Baselight, Resolve etc. The closest thing, that comes close to "high-ish" end is AE and that software is ancient. It's about time they update it. Dynamic links looks interesting, unless you compare it to Smoke/Flame/Lustre combo. Or even Avid/FilmMaster. Smoke alone performs all operations, that AE, PPro, Photoshop and whatever sound app Adobe has all in the one package. In Smoke there is no need to send anything to another app. It's all done instantly and, if needed, with "History". That means, that you can open your old project and redo pretty much any step, that was done or use it for versioning., History in Smoke/Flame is like History in Photoshop, but much more powerful. Once Autodesk manages to squeeze Lustre inside Smoke/Flame (keeping my fingers crossed for this NAB), it's game over for high end finishing.
If the latest Adobe demo of Speedgrade is any indication of what's in store for Adobe post suite, I don't think BM has anything to worry.
It just may be the final nail in the coffin of Assimilate.
So, basically, I'm just not that excited about the prospect of using any Adobe software, beside occasional use of AE.
And, I guess, that also means, that I will not be up for the Adobe project showcase:-)
 
Yes adobe has this habit of collecting popular software that they think it would add to their package and integrates with other applications.. autodesk does buy other software and itegrates it with its other systems, I remember discreet smoke, and the discontinued edit.. well autodesk is always working on the high-end market, for its user base that have been working with autodesk's software since a good time, and getting training from autodesk.. well adobe is giving you the hig-end results with much lower prices.. so, they try to improve that popular software that people have already used for some time, remember how "cool edit" was and and how is it today.. that concept is different.. now a days after implementing 64bit architecture and gpu acceleration, I think they are doing a good job for optimizing their apps on new hardware technologies.. and because technology is advancing normal hardware now can do amazing things, its very efficient to go that route, rather than designing for specific hardware that is too expensive to live up with.. I know the current mac version of smoke can live up with less hardware than ages ago, but I would probably need extra space coz of compatibility with other formats would add the cost converting material to higher end formats, that needs higher end srorage..
I'm not saying smoke is useless or anything.. its a great system, it make be a deal breaker when working on a scanned 35mm material, its just suited for different environment. Its not an adobe CS competitor..
CS has its own charm, believe me people here are switching from fcp to ppro only coz it does an amazing job with accepting formats like red and avchd, then they get amazed of how fast things can be done by only changing their software with their alread owned hardware, or just little tunes to speed up their workflow..
Speed grade is a great addition to the adobe suite, and besides, u can add it to your smoke workstation..
 
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