Adobe Announces native Dragon support in Premiere Pro

[Mike Smith]

------ As for dead horse. If you've had one die on a farm, there's a lot of hard work involved in dealing with it, especially if you do not have a tractor, mechanical digger or a lot of firewood close-handy and homestead is downwind. There's plenty to complain about for a good stretch after the horse dies until it is finally put to rest.

Man that's f*cking funny. I shall never think of that phrase the same way again, although I can see it as being a genuine challenge in real life. It could make a great short film though...

 

[Bruce Allen]

Or is it the principle of the model that's really scaring some away? Even at $10? $5?

It's a combination of lack of trust in Adobe plus the subscription model.

Now don't get me wrong, I like the After Effects team. But Adobe corporate leaves me very cold.

Adobe's software increasingly has the feel of some kind of sleazy spyware.

Currently my OS X Menu Bar is cluttered with not just a Cloud icon for Creative Cloud but also a Adobe icon with the letter 5 next to it.

When I click on the Adobe icon, the only option it gives it to Open Updater... which then opens the Cloud icon. So the Adobe icon taking up space constantly is completely f'ing redundant.

Cramming my menu bar with a load of garbage is just basic disrespect to the user.

Imagine how much worse it will be once they know you're locked in (you've done a lot of stuff in CC products that you'll lose access to if you go cold turkey). My whole Menu Bar is going to be filled with dumb Adobe icons and I'll have no way to turn them off.

Similarly, Premiere and After Effects have gotten really intrusive with disk caches. They store gigs and gigs of files by default in hidden folders not even accessible by the Finder to a normal user.

We've worked on some of the biggest trailer titles in the industry. After Effects is our bread and butter... and we're staying the heck away from CC for now.

So yeah, to me the subscription model requires you to have trust in the company.

If I could get, say, Resolve as a cloud subscription... sign me up! Same with Maya, Avid, Nuke, ZBrush, Mari, etc... but then I trust those companies more (yes, even "corporate" Autodesk - Maya has never tried to pull any of the stupid BS Adobe has).

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Joel Arvidsson]

Must we have this disscussion in every adobe thread? I thinks its better that we have a rant thread and one with new feature wishes. I know I have a few things to add at the rant thread to but I like to keep the rest clean.

Thanks!

 

[Will Keir]

Well Adobe needs to listen to their customers and fix their errors. That's why it keeps coming up.

Must we have this disscussion in every adobe thread? I thinks its better that we have a rant thread and one with new feature wishes. I know I have a few things to add at the rant thread to but I like to keep the rest clean.

Thanks!

 

[Matt Gottshalk]

Well Adobe needs to listen to their customers and fix their errors. That's why it keeps coming up.

And again, that should be in the other thread.

This is about Red support in the CC apps.

 

[Bruce Allen]

And again, that should be in the other thread.

This is about Red support in the CC apps.

Thread topic is "Dragon support in Premiere Pro" and doesn't specify CC or CS6.

Since CS6 is the most current version that you don't have to rent, Dragon workflows for CS6 would seem to go here too, yes?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Phil Holland]

I guess I haven't felt a lack of trust in Adobe that some have felt. In fact mostly the polar opposite. Heh. Maybe it's because I'm a PC guy, although back at the old studio we had a ton of Macs with Adobe software. Who knows. Could be because I haven't had many negative experiences in general with their products.

All I ask is they stay on the forefront and create tools that I prefer to use that play nicely together with each other.

Mercury Playback Engine was probably the biggest advancement that effected my motion work. Support for like every freaking format is also nice.

I should say that I'm high critical of the CC subscription model as well, but in terms of how I used and purchased upgrades "immediately" it is indeed a cost saver compared to upgrading the Creative Suite the old fashioned way. I'm more of a realist on this matter and Adobe provides the workflow I'm after. If Adobe continues doing quarterly or bi-annual or whenever updates as part of that model I'm okay with it. It works for me. I totally understand why it doesn't work for everybody though.

Which is more or less why I'm curious what some users would pay per month if they feel that the price for the subscription is unjustified.

I personally don't look at it as a monthly expense. I just look at the total price of a year subscription.

 

[Jeremy Hildebrant]

So what is going to happen if you try and import Dragon R3D's into CS6? Won't recognize them at all? Will recognize them but won't have the latest color science? Will recognize them but doesn't support a 6K timeline?

 

[Mark T Workman]

"Which is more or less why I'm curious what some users would pay per month if they feel that the price for the subscription is unjustified."

First of all Phil, from what I hear, there seems to be a serious major PROFESSIONAL ISSUE! with the Adobe licensing contract! I think this is an issue Adobe had better readdress and fast... Major corporations are not thrilled with the Adobe language from what I hear, nor individual operators/producers! I think Adobe really "should have" approached the CC concept with regard to parallel marketing and actually, to not do so, was a seriously huge mistake! A mistake of chacter? Who can say? Burning your user base is never a good idea...

For me it comes down to one basic principle: DON'T BURN YOUR USER BASE!

 

[Mark Britton]

So what is going to happen if you try and import Dragon R3D's into CS6? Won't recognize them at all? Will recognize them but won't have the latest color science? Will recognize them but doesn't support a 6K timeline?

It would be unlikely that CS6 would be able to load an Dragon R3D. Took a new version of REDCine-X Pro to be able to work with Dragon R3Ds (still in beta) so it seems unlikely that the new footage will be backwards compatible with old RED SDKs. Probably the same situation as RED One MX -> Epic-X, there are changes in R3Ds which require updates to tools.

 

[Les Dittert]

Someone else besides Adobe is free to write a 6K importer plugin once the SDK from Red is available .
Unless of course Red forbids you writing something for Adobe products in the fine print of the legal SDK contract.

It would be unlikely that CS6 would be able to load an Dragon R3D. Took a new version of REDCine-X Pro to be able to work with Dragon R3Ds (still in beta) so it seems unlikely that the new footage will be backwards compatible with old RED SDKs. Probably the same situation as RED One MX -> Epic-X, there are changes in R3Ds which require updates to tools.

 

[Mike Garrick]

To all those who don't understand peoples aversion to the Creative cloud concept.

Lets get this straight it has never been about $$$$ , I couldn't give a F*&k about $50 a month !

It's always been about "legacy". Sooner or later there will be a better App/ system / whatever, come along and when you move onto that "other system" & you can't open any previous projects on the "old system' then maybe you will understand where we are coming from. Until then you will just dismiss us as a bunch of wannabe' s who cant afford $50 a month......which couldn't be more further from the truth.

Or put it another way.........................is your work so ephemeral or disposable you believe it will not have any relevance a few years from now ?

 

[Tom Lowe]

I have been super happy with CC model so far. They are able to spit out updates much faster and react to new cameras, etc. My main beef is that I think I should be able to install CC on at least 3 or 4 computers. Right now, sitting in my bedroom, I literally have three desktops and three laptops. Creative people who travel and shoot a lot are not likely to have only two computers. Dave!!

 

[Adam Beck]

I am super happy with CC, but would just like to pay an annual subscription. Is that possible?

Tom,

You should try a Team Subscription, it's much cheaper dependent on the number of seats. I believe I went through Pro-Max for ours. Technically you would only need three seats if you not using more than 3 at once.

 

[Stefan Scherperel]

To all those who don't understand peoples aversion to the Creative cloud concept.

Lets get this straight it has never been about $$$$ , I couldn't give a F*&k about $50 a month !

It's always been about "legacy". Sooner or later there will be a better App/ system / whatever, come along and when you move onto that "other system" & you can't open any previous projects on the "old system' then maybe you will understand where we are coming from. Until then you will just dismiss us as a bunch of wannabe' s who cant afford $50 a month......which couldn't be more further from the truth.

Or put it another way.........................is your work so ephemeral or disposable you believe it will not have any relevance a few years from now ?

Even if something better does come down the line, and I stop using adobe products all together. . . although since I use at least 5 different adobe programs on a daily basis the likely-hood is not very high. For me however, any project that is 5 years old that is worth re opening the project file would be worth the $50 one time fee that it costs me to open the software.

Lets say I use my adobe software for one full year and then something better comes along, so I stop using adobe products altogether. For that One year I would have paid $600 to use the entire Adobe collection (Even though I may only use about 8 different applications total). Now two years pass and I want to re open a project file from a long lost project that needs a re edit. So I spend a one time fee of $50, edit my project and then never touch adobe again.
What's the difference if I had just bought the software upfront? Well, upfront cost for the adobe Production premium was around $1500 if I remember correctly. . . So what am I missing?


Look I get that to some people the CC model may not work. That's fine, you have whatever other options work for you, so go ahead and use them.
For many of us however, we actually prefer the new way things work... GAAAASSSSP!

You don't see Apple updating FCP now that FCPX is released! Hell you can't even buy final cut pro anymore.

It seems like anytime things change people completely freak out. Oh my god, the world is ending, my workflow no longer works. FCPX was released and people bitched and moaned for almost a year, and then suddenly, hey things are great!
Change is inevitable. . . thats why people are looking for Dragon support in the first place - it's a progression. Sometimes changes works well for you sometimes change makes you have to change the way you do things.

Complaining about the way things work with adobe is not going to make them change their mind, and if they do then I'll be pissed because I happen to like the way things are working now.
Quarterly updates, not having to wait for full releases, and honestly adobe is constantly on the leading edge of innovating new tools and integration into their applications that nobody else seems to be doing. And that wouldn't be fully possible without being on a monthly subscription basis. Instead we would be waiting for complete Suite releases yearly, which honestly, I don't want to go back to.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

If you suddenly stop needing Adobe products in the near future, rental is going to be way better for you. Let's say some new product magically displaces Photoshop. Great, now you don't have to pay anymore. Just cancel your subscription. Now you don't have to feel bad about just having dropped a couple grand on Adobe products. If in 6 months they go bust you only have to pay $300 instead of $3,000.

The truth is though you'll still need a subscription because if your work is anything like mine it means you'll have to cooperate with other artists who you can't control. And inevitably one of those artists uses the latest version and you have to upgrade everything to open their projects.

 

[Elsie N]

To all those who don't understand peoples aversion to the Creative cloud concept.

Lets get this straight it has never been about $$$$ , I couldn't give a F*&k about $50 a month !

It's always been about "legacy". Sooner or later there will be a better App/ system / whatever, come along and when you move onto that "other system" & you can't open any previous projects on the "old system' then maybe you will understand where we are coming from. Until then you will just dismiss us as a bunch of wannabe' s who cant afford $50 a month......which couldn't be more further from the truth.

Or put it another way.........................is your work so ephemeral or disposable you believe it will not have any relevance a few years from now ?

I share your concerns but still opted to join the cloud and pay the introductory fee for a year's service. I just don't have time at the moment to learn new software.

That said, and I'm hoping this will work... I plan to switch back and forth between Redcine and cloud apps and when I'm finally done, archive in Redcine. That will always allow me a way to open my master using Redcine and export to .RED or whatever is available at the time.

 

[JohnF]

Forgive me if this is the wrong thread to post this.

I have major problems with Adobe CC.

As a general rule I do not and will not connect my primary editing computer to the internet. The amount of overhead that antivirus, firewall software plus internet junk (esp over time) adds to ones machine, even a well maintained one, is quite surprising. The effect on system stability and render times can be/is significant.

Plus the need for stable and user controllable work environment is extremely important. The system has to work - it is a creative machine and a money maker. An update can come along that is buggy, unstable or worse has even removed a key feature. Explaining why, suddenly, a job has ground to a halt to a client (who doesn't care about the details just angrily wondering why this expensive work has now stopped) whilst finding a way to roll back the update is not my idea of fun.

Plus old projects sometimes get a new lease of life but not being able to use them because one no longer has the software and has to either pay over one hundred dollars or agree to twelve months of payments just to review them is simply crazy.

There is also the problem when it comes to editing "in the field" where there is little or no internet connection. Under The Adobe CC model one would have to tailor or even abandon a shooting schedule according to Adobe's demands when as the customer you are paying them!

BTW I have seen and used subscription models before. These systems take control away from the user/customer for very little benefit and most importantly one has been forced to pay out every year instead just to use your own edit suite hardware and have access to your own intellectual property (projects) instead of upgrading when you're ready. In my opinion this smacks of coercion/extortion.

It is also significant that here in the UK we are paying ~$75-76/month for Adobe CC whereas in the USA it's just $49.99/month. For a downloadable product this price differential is unacceptable and highly questionable.

I am more than happy to purchase a disk and have downloadable user installable updates for a limited period. I hope that Adobe don't fully abandon that option and just leave people stuck on CS6.

Sadly these restrictions are making me look elsewhere for editing tools. Up till now I felt that Adobe was doing great work; not any more.

JohnF

 

[Sabyasachi Patra]

Forgive me if this is the wrong thread to post this.

I have major problems with Adobe CC.

As a general rule I do not and will not connect my primary editing computer to the internet. The amount of overhead that antivirus, firewall software plus internet junk (esp over time) adds to ones machine, even a well maintained one, is quite surprising. The effect on system stability and render times can be/is significant.

Plus the need for stable and user controllable work environment is extremely important. The system has to work - it is a creative machine and a money maker. An update can come along that is buggy, unstable or worse has even removed a key feature. Explaining why, suddenly, a job has ground to a halt to a client (who doesn't care about the details just angrily wondering why this expensive work has now stopped) whilst finding a way to roll back the update is not my idea of fun.

Plus old projects sometimes get a new lease of life but not being able to use them because one no longer has the software and has to either pay over one hundred dollars or agree to twelve months of payments just to review them is simply crazy.

There is also the problem when it comes to editing "in the field" where there is little or no internet connection. Under The Adobe CC model one would have to tailor or even abandon a shooting schedule according to Adobe's demands when as the customer you are paying them!

BTW I have seen and used subscription models before. These systems take control away from the user/customer for very little benefit and most importantly one has been forced to pay out every year instead just to use your own edit suite hardware and have access to your own intellectual property (projects) instead of upgrading when you're ready. In my opinion this smacks of coercion/extortion.

It is also significant that here in the UK we are paying ~$75-76/month for Adobe CC whereas in the USA it's just $49.99/month. For a downloadable product this price differential is unacceptable and highly questionable.

I am more than happy to purchase a disk and have downloadable user installable updates for a limited period. I hope that Adobe don't fully abandon that option and just leave people stuck on CS6.

Sadly these restrictions are making me look elsewhere for editing tools. Up till now I felt that Adobe was doing great work; not any more.

JohnF

Agree with John. I want the control to be in my hands not with Adobe. Adobe can charge more and let people have the option of buying the software. If there are others who need monthly option, then let them have it. These companies are just forcing people to move according to their wish. I understand when someone uses the word coercion to describe the situation.

In marketing we used to be taught that "Customer is King". Adobe is trying to prove that the reverse is true.

 

[Stephen Franchek]

I, for one, could definitey give a F*&k about $50 a month =)

To all those who don't understand peoples aversion to the Creative cloud concept.

Lets get this straight it has never been about $$$$ , I couldn't give a F*&k about $50 a month !

It's always been about "legacy". Sooner or later there will be a better App/ system / whatever, come along and when you move onto that "other system" & you can't open any previous projects on the "old system' then maybe you will understand where we are coming from. Until then you will just dismiss us as a bunch of wannabe' s who cant afford $50 a month......which couldn't be more further from the truth.

Or put it another way.........................is your work so ephemeral or disposable you believe it will not have any relevance a few years from now ?