Adobe Announces native Dragon support in Premiere Pro

[Tehben Dean]

Some great updates happening! Looks like I may have to give Speedgrade another chance, now that it actually has some advantages
A great grading tool that's integrated into the editing app would be a no brainer.

 

[Eric Haase]

Well there was this little hint:



So it looks like October for official new color science. Remember, because we're working with raw the results the beta cameras are getting with that "Dragonfied RG3 and RC3" yield good results.

Once the floor boards are hammered down, we'll get even better results with DC/DG.

why do you say October for new color science? Because Adobe is incorporating color science into their release? How do we know if will be the "new" Dragon color science? In the past, third party vendors are a couple months behind whatever Red releases in rcx or camera firmware. I guess I'm just impatient- I was hoping for new color science with the release of the sensor. It's probably the thing I think could use the most improvement on the MX so I'm disappointed its not number one priority and hand in hand with the sensor release.

 

[Phil Holland]

why do you say October for new color science? Because Adobe is incorporating color science into their release? How do we know if will be the "new" Dragon color science? In the past, third party vendors are a couple months behind whatever Red releases in rcx or camera firmware. I guess I'm just impatient- I was hoping for new color science with the release of the sensor. It's probably the thing I think could use the most improvement on the MX so I'm disappointed its not number one priority and hand in hand with the sensor release.

Well Jarred, the President of Red Digital Cinema, mentioned October as a target.

Food for thought. What makes you think Red hasn't been working with 3rd party vendors for the last several months?

I know I would be if I was in their shoes. Additionally, since we've gone through this before with specific software companies and now that .R3D is somewhat easily integrated into those packages I'd imagine it would be quicker to implement.

And a high five to Adobe here. This is pretty much exactly what Creative Cloud is all about. The industry is moving fast these days. And new formats and advancements are coming out at a faster pace.

Don't be disappointed. We're shooting raw. In the past, and I wish I could think of Jim's quote here, when new color science arrives it improves everything you've shot before. This was true with RC3/RG3 and it will be true for DC/DG when it lands.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Price IS a barrier when you've written out your financial strategy and it doesn't involve an extra $30-$50 a month or $360-$600 a year

All told, your employees probably cost around $100 an hour.

Creative Cloud costs $50 per month. If your employees work about 20 days per month then the upgrade only needs to shave off 1.5 minutes per day to justify the upgrade. If an upgrade doesn't save 1.5 minutes per day then it's not an upgrade. I think we can all agree that the new CC features add 1.5 minutes worth of value per day to the average artist's workflow. If it doesn't then you probably also don't need Dragon support.

 

[Stephen Franchek]

All told, I'll need Dragon support when I receive my Epic-Dragon. And as for my employees, at current their workflow is heavily hindered by their lack of existence. I'm a one man operation and I keep it that way to reduce overhead and pass the savings along to smaller productions. Now you can see why I don't want to shell out $50/month. It's going to hurt my clients' wallets more than mine, which is counter to everything my business is trying to achieve. A little blood sweat and stress to make my clients happy? Bring it. 1.5 minutes of lost time? I'll make the sacrifice.
So basically, I'm still hoping they bring Dragon support to CS6. Ya know, so I can use my Dragon... with CS6

All told, your employees probably cost around $100 an hour.

Creative Cloud costs $50 per month. If your employees work about 20 days per month then the upgrade only needs to shave off 1.5 minutes per day to justify the upgrade. If an upgrade doesn't save 1.5 minutes per day then it's not an upgrade. I think we can all agree that the new CC features add 1.5 minutes worth of value per day to the average artist's workflow. If it doesn't then you probably also don't need Dragon support.

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

Well Stephen,

Adobe has chosen their path, right or wrong. I'm betting they will not support you cause they do not want you using CS6. They want you in the cloud, or they will let you go.

that's the fact. At first I did not agree with them, but the speed of updates and not having to wait until the next version to get what I need is starting to win me over.

jay

 

[jake blackstone]

Well Stephen,

Adobe has chosen their path, right or wrong. I'm betting they will not support you cause they do not want you using CS6. They want you in the cloud, or they will let you go.

that's the fact. At first I did not agree with them, but the speed of updates and not having to wait until the next version to get what I need is starting to win me over.

jay

Adobe doesn't monopolize "update whenever they feel like it" schedule. Resolve is being updated whenever they feel the need to update it too... with the free updates for the software.
And there is no cloud requirement.

 

[Brad Allen]

Adobe doesn't monopolize "update whenever they feel like it" schedule. Resolve is being updated whenever they feel the need to update it too... with the free updates for the software.
And there is no cloud requirement.

Not sure that is an entirely fair comparison - Adobe is a software company exclusively. They can't sell hardware to help subsidise their development costs

 

[T_Freundlich]

Wow, very cool with the PP/SG integration, especially combined with Tangent support!

 

[jake blackstone]

Not sure that is an entirely fair comparison - Adobe is a software company exclusively. They can't sell hardware to help subsidise their development costs

Wasn't comparing companies, just was making a statement about Adobe not being that different, as they claiming to be.
BTW, it is Adobe's decision to be solely a software company. BMD used to be just the hardware company and look what happened to them now

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Now you can see why I don't want to shell out $50/month. It's going to hurt my clients' wallets more than mine, which is counter to everything my business is trying to achieve. A little blood sweat and stress to make my clients happy? Bring it. 1.5 minutes of lost time? I'll make the sacrifice.
So basically, I'm still hoping they bring Dragon support to CS6. Ya know, so I can use my Dragon... with CS6

Raising your day rate by $1.50 per day would be noticeable to your clients? I can't imagine your day rate is low enough that a $1 difference would 'affect your overhead'. Skimping on your tools that boost efficiency in order to cut costs is a downward spiral of doom. Imagine if you saved 5 min per day for a year. That's 20 hours per year lost. If your hourly rate is on the very low end, let's say $50/hr that's $1,000 per year in lost time due to your tools. Even after paying $600 for CC that's $400 out of your pocket. You could spend that $400 on another tool which saves you another 5 min per day and have another $1,000 at the end of the year.

 

[Marko Hocevar]

I feel it wont take long to get to $100/month. Then the math will be slightly different, but if we apply the math above, it will still be quite affordable

 

[Will Keir]

Don't forget one very important fact about Adobe.

Their customer support is outsourced overseas and is awful. If you have an issue with Ppro, or anything else, get ready for an internet search and hope someone else has faced the same problem.

There is a simple solution to this problem:

Encourage the hiring of creative professionals for tech support related positions.

These people are out there. They need jobs. They will add to the companies success and strengthen customer relations and loyalty.

Bring in US based tech support, knowledgeable, understandable and qualified techs that hopefully also use the same software in a creative endeavor.
That's called synergy. Two entities coming together to do more than the sum of their parts.

Wasn't comparing companies, just was making a statement about Adobe not being that different, as they claiming to be.

 

[Diego Querzoli]

amazing!

Dragon already in my dreams.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

(snip) ... knowledgeable, understandable and qualified techs that hopefully also use the same software in a creative endeavor.
That's called synergy. Two entities coming together to do more than the sum of their parts.

+1

Cheers - #19

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Bring in quality tech support, knowledgeable, understandable and qualified techs that hopefully also use the same software in a creative endeavor.
That's called synergy. Two entities coming together to do more than the sum of their parts.

I don't think "outsourced" is the problem. The problem is that in my experience Adobe's support staff on the forums and phone really don't have a clue. Unfortunately that also extends to a lot of their developers. I don't feel like anyone at Adobe has ever worked in production. I'm reminded of the now infamous argument on the Adobe support forums over how EXR alphas are supposed to be handled. One of the developers was insisting that "the EXR spec says ____" ... to the person who wrote the EXR spec.

 

[Rudi Herbert]

Jake,

I'm (genuinely) curious about one thing. I remember you talking about the Resolve feature, forgot the name, where you can remotely grade with a client, and you stood by the quality of he results, dismissing the need for high end, 10 bit displays. So, what gives? Not defending Speedgrade, for the life of me I cannot stomach the interface of that thing, but is there a double standard at play here? I do have 10 bit displays, and been on sessions with Dolby monitors and 4K DCP compliant projectors, but at the end of the day, EVERYBODY I know checks their work on a regular 8 bit (6 bit usually) home TV/computer monitor, to make sure all those intricate, beautiful and subtle nuances from the 10 bit displays do not translate into something unexpected as they play on the lowest common denominators, where 90% of all things will be watched.

Both, but mostly Adobe. They need to start using BM or AJA with Speedgrade. That is unless my information is out of date
BTW, what panels Speedgrade supports now?

 

[Stephen Franchek]

It says 1.5 minutes, not $1.5. Also, editing isn't my primary activity. Most of the time I'm on the road doing DIT, AC, 2nd AC, Sound Guy or whatever else I'm needed for. Hopefully it's becoming clearer why I don't want to shell out the extra bucks. It would end up costing my clients way more than a buck o' five

Raising your day rate by $1.50 per day would be noticeable to your clients? I can't imagine your day rate is low enough that a $1 difference would 'affect your overhead'. Skimping on your tools that boost efficiency in order to cut costs is a downward spiral of doom. Imagine if you saved 5 min per day for a year. That's 20 hours per year lost. If your hourly rate is on the very low end, let's say $50/hr that's $1,000 per year in lost time due to your tools. Even after paying $600 for CC that's $400 out of your pocket. You could spend that $400 on another tool which saves you another 5 min per day and have another $1,000 at the end of the year.

 

[Mark T Workman]

I feel it wont take long to get to $100/month. Then the math will be slightly different, but if we apply the math above, it will still be quite affordable

+1 on your first sentence but considering this market, the math will only be affordable for those with a client base who really want Dragon production quality and are budgeting for the new rentals required. Hopefully new options will also emerge but I'm glad I bought the single application, Ae CC for a year just to explore it and keep the door open...

 

[Alec Morris]

Its not like the upgrades were free before. If I remember correctly the upgrade from CS5 to CS6 was around $1000 (for the master collection, which is what CC is). CS5 and CS6 came out 2 years apart. At $50 a month, CC is $1200 for 2 years. How is that any different than paying for an upgrade? For a difference of $8 a month, you get consistent updates. $8! I had a beer at lunch that was $8.