8k Monstro test: master anamorphics - zeiss otus

[manoj paramahamsa]

https://youtu.be/_laH7tmxbD8

I just made this test as part of prep work to my next big feature,
I don’t have any restrictions on budget, i choose to go with two monstro’s
Now its time to select the best glass, right now i am using zeiss otus and zeiss zoom for my monstro
So this is my first test with anamorphics with monstro, though i used this lenses very extensive with alexa in my previous features
I really blown away by the result, next week i am testing Cooke s7i and Leica Thalia
I want the help from experts to choose the right glass for this film, the entire shoot is going to be in Uk a year long project
So pls advice plus and minus you can see from this tests
Thanks in advance
Ps: few shots i underexposed by three full stops and i changed 6400 asa in metadata and bit of noise reduction in resolve
And i was amazed to see the results
Thanks entire team of red !

 

[Phil Holland]

Well you've landed on a couple of my personal favorites. The Master Anamorphics are indeed a more modern style, but they do have more character than many think.

The Otus trio (as of now 28, 55, 85mm) are good enough to use on productions. I've had mine properly geared and modified at Duclos Lenses with 114mm fronts for matte box use. There's more glass on the way from Zeiss, both Otus and more cinema level stuff.

If you're still looking, check out the Tokina Vista Primes and Sigma Cine lenses. Tokina, Cooke S7, and Thalia are truly designed for larger format. Sigma's as well as the Other or CP.3s do indeed cover.

 

[Misha Engel]

https://youtu.be/_laH7tmxbD8

I just made this test as part of prep work to my next big feature,
I don’t have any restrictions on budget, i choose to go with two monstro’s
Now its time to select the best glass, right now i am using zeiss otus and zeiss zoom for my monstro
So this is the my first test with anamorphics with monstro, though i used this lenses very extensive with alexa in my previous features
I really blown away by the result, next week i am testing Cooke s7i and Leica Thalia
I want the help from experts to choose the right glass for this film, the entire shoot is going to be in Uk a year long project
So pls advice plus and minus you can see from this tests
Thanks in advance
Ps: few shots i underexposed by three full stops and i changed 6400 asa in metadata and bit of noise reduction in resolve
And i was amazed to see the results
Thanks entire team of red !

Well you know the difference between anamorphics and spherical and how to use them. They won't look much different on a Monstro compared with an Alexa.
They only lens I can think of that might be missing for pure speed T.1.5 are the Tokina's http://www.tokinacinema.com/18-25-35-50-85-Prime.html for the rest it's all top class equipment.
And some zooms https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/cinematography/products/cinema-zoom-lenses.html that cover monstro.

The one who will make the difference is you.

 

[manoj paramahamsa]

Thanks phil
I forget Tokina vista primes ! I will surely source them soon,
I just wanna share this observation, correct me if i am wrong!
When i see the backgrounds in shallow depth
Anamorphics even though they are pretty blur like otus its still maintains the shape of the objects and trees and others subjects in tact
I felt it’s beautifully blurred and yet keeps the beauty of the shapes where as otus makes it completely blur to deform the shape
Is this anything to do with anamorphics kind of optics or all the spherical lenses will have this kind of chartestics
I like to use otus when we need that complete isolation of foreground from background !
And also i never seen this effect with Alexa’s with anamorphics
And in what level you think the big vistavsion sensor helps anamorphics to perform at this extent?

 

[Phil Holland]

When we are talking about VistaVision format versus say S35, indeed at an equivalent T-Stop you have a shollower depth of field and less separation. You can of course approximately match DOF and the circles of confusion (bokeh), but you will be stopped down on VistaVision to do so, or wider open on S35 and there's a limit to what will produce a dimecent match.

As for the anamorphic VV 8K 6:5 is slightly taller than S35 Full Ap, so there will be a slight difference there slightly enhanced by the anamorphic 2X too. Very slightly.

Some of the biggest advantages of modern optics is that you can work wider open towards maximum aperture and still produce a high quality image. This wasn't the case with many lenses up until even the 90s-2000s. Ultra Primes and Master Primes sort of opened up that world of possibilities, but even still the typical mode of operations is somewhere between 1-3 stops closed on the iris to get into the sweeter spot where potential artifacts that can be seen wide open go away at those apertures.

That's pretty standard stuff. I have no problem shooting wide open with most of the good modern glass. Some like the funk of the vintage stuff at wider open apertures even. Just depends on the types of images you are looking to create.

For instance Super Baltars produce gorgeous images, but Marvel isn't likely going to shoot with them anytime soon.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Only for the brave. Oscar technical achievement wining lenses from the 1950's. Same as used in "The bridge over the river Kwai" and "The Egyptian" Basically the original of anamorphics, before PV stepped in with mumps correction.

Not possible to test them just yet as they are in Japan being refurbished to better than new. But I'm promised to have I have one complete set off 35mm, 40mm, 50mm, 75mm, 100mm ready for action before summer and also backups / duplets for the 35mm, 40mm, 75mm.

18199164_10154813289318043_6413951431425436130_n by Björn Benckert, on Flickr

These are Helium frames but these jars of glas will for sure look smashing on monstro. Possibly not the sharpest but still

35mm daylight by Björn Benckert, on Flickr
A001_C040_042584 by Björn Benckert, on Flickr
A001_C031_04242P by Björn Benckert, on Flickr
PastedGraphic-3 by Björn Benckert, on Flickr
A016_C004_021132 by Björn Benckert, on Flickr
A015_C002_0211GO by Björn Benckert, on Flickr

 

[Antony Newman]

Looks awesome!

AJ

 

[Elena Mocharenko]

why master anamorphic cover red monstro VV and do not cover alexa LF?

 

[sreenivasa reddy s]

Hi Phil,
Could you please enlighten me on the Monstro 8K 8:9 Sensor dimensions. Thank you.

 

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

When we are talking about VistaVision format versus say S35, indeed at an equivalent T-Stop you have a shollower depth of field and less separation. You can of course approximately match DOF and the circles of confusion (bokeh), but you will be stopped down on VistaVision to do so, or wider open on S35 and there's a limit to what will produce a dimecent match.

As for the anamorphic VV 8K 6:5 is slightly taller than S35 Full Ap, so there will be a slight difference there slightly enhanced by the anamorphic 2X too. Very slightly.

S35 is 18,6 mm high and the Monstro is 21,6mm high, so that comes to around 16 %, not really a "slight" difference