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4K ProRes is Coming

Terry VerHaar

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In a presentation this morning, Apple let it slip that 4K ProRes from Weapon is coming.
 
It's something I've been hearing all show from all types of shooters.

Professionally though, rental houses and owners of multiple brands of cameras have been the more concerned parties. Folks who are will to buy 1-10 or more cameras where there's a lot of cash at play. I've been on the horn to a few people back in LA and that's oddly the biggest concern. Some of those folks work in television where the ProRes workflow is just flat out used because they sometimes need to turn content on the day.

If RED can get this done in the Weapon CF, which it sounds like it might be possible, there is literally no reason to ever purchase an ARRI Mini. At least not from my perspective. And with the simultaneous recording options being what they are we are past the Panasonic Varicam 35 in a few ways.

This would pretty much make Weapon the top camera in the industry from a variety of perspectives. And I think it would rent pretty damn well.
 
This is good news though I am no the Mg train for now so hoping it is acheivable there too. I do not think it is beyond the scope of the camera processor and media - especially! - if they activate the pro res only feature - thank you very much. That is how this should be done.
 
Our investigative reporter Terry V scoops the entire Industry with the 4K RED ProRes story first. Classic stuff!
 
Matt Ryan said:
I figured if Weapon CF could do 120fps at 2k, it most likely could handle 4K at 60fps. (but what the hell do I know about that haha)
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4K is 4x2k so that would make 30fps. But yeh i would love to see 60fps 4K ProRes.
 
If it's done perfectly in the CF body I would expect all 4K-6K resolutions and all frame rates supported in 4K ProRes if possible. Max frame rates at 6K and down sampling to 4K would be some real data to process though. Maybe it tops out somewhere in frame rate.

That might one of the differences however between CF and MG in this case.

We're not quite there yet with this particular feature to know hard details.

The fact that it might happen to the concept of it being integrated changes a lot of people's opinions though who absolutely need this workflow.

Heh. And I'm actually not one of those guys, but I totally see the value in this feature.
 
Right. And if we get the 'Jarred said':) pro rez record only option rather than raw and pro rez simultaneously - who knows what could happen. But whatever it is it will be a good thing:)
 
Terry VerHaar said:
In a presentation this morning, Apple let it slip that 4K ProRes from Weapon is coming.
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Are you sure about this?
It was one of the first questions I asked in the Weapon NAB2015 announcement thread and I got a big silence and Red seem to be talking a lot about 2K which made me ask the question in the first place.

I get the impression that Red are kind of just thinking of the ProRes as a low res proxy file or something but the reality is that UHD ProRes is already well underway on the Arri cams and people might want it in certain situations. Probably more so than 2K ProRes at this point. I think 1080p and UHD will be the most popular forms of ProRes in the future.

It's just the way Red have spoken about it makes it seem like 2K is the thing. :(

Freya
 
This just in: Apple will announce Apple TV 4K at WWDC in June. This will revolutionize content delivery much like iPod did for music. It will be a hardware / software solution which will accelerate 4K adoption rates exponentially

Back to you Terry V
 
I am simply passing information forward that was stated, by an Apple rep, in a public presentation at the FCPWorks suite. He said that RED has assured him 4K is coming in a firmware update. I don't recall his name but I'll try and track it down.
 
If I remember correctly RED has always been against using ProRES as an 'acquisition' format... so I have doubts that they would go the ProRES only menu option...if it meant sacrificing the .R3D acquisition....
 
Phil Holland said:
Some of those folks work in television where the ProRes workflow is just flat out used because they sometimes need to turn content on the day.
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See, I've never understood this. Maybe it's about what people are used to, with raw being far newer to the motion world than to the stills world in which I mainly live. But to me a raw workflow is actually faster (not to mention more flexible).
 
Lee Saxon said:
See, I've never understood this. Maybe it's about what people are used to, with raw being far newer to the motion world than to the stills world in which I mainly live. But to me a raw workflow is actually faster (not to mention more flexible).
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I'd like to point out, that camera owners and users are NOT the clients. The clients are the ones who decide what they NEED and they are the ones who pay- the producers. So, it's time to drop the "I'll tell you what you need" attitude and do whatever those clients ask for, even if you feel that they are wrong. Because clients are NEVER wrong by definition:)
 
as much hype as 4k is... and I'm in the loin's den saying this... Broadcast is still 720.

But for that exact reason, I see the public asking for 1080 or 4k/UHD via the internet and finding new ways to broadcast

But simply, the need for a 'strait to tape' broadcast, doesn't require a UHD/4k master... not yet(why the 8-bit C300 is still popular)
 
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