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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

48fps... I've converted.

Adam Beck said:
Does anyone know where you can find the 400 theaters displaying the Hobbit at 48fps?

Thanks,
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Here we go:

Some background info:
http://screenrant.com/hobbit-high-frame-rate-release-showings-locations/

and here the

The official "The Hobbit" list of 3D 48fps enabled theaters:
http://www.48fpsmovies.com/48-fps-theater-list/

The remaining question will be if the 2D release will be 24fps or 48fps, and if there will be a 3D 24fps version at all?
It seems that the 2D version will be ONLY 24fps (according to above website).


Now thats becoming a clique problem! Imagine you meet up with friends to watch "The Hobbit" at the cinema. You have to choose for 2D 24fps, 3D 24fps, 2D 48fps and 3D 48fps. In worsed case everyone will sit alone in his preferred presentation and you meet afterwards again...?

Honestly I am not sure if THAT will improve the overall theater experience. And something tells me the weakest piece in the chain rules, so we can safely predict: 2D 24fps would be the most successful in this scenario...
 
THERE WILL BE THREE HOBBITS INSTEAD OF NONE

THERE WILL BE THREE HOBBITS INSTEAD OF NONE

FIRST LED ME SAY; “There will be a 24 Frames per second, 270 Degree shutter, 2D Presentation that will available forever”! That’s an indisputable fact!

Whatever is needed for the showing of the SECOND and THIRD Hobbit Film had to be shot at 48 FPS TODAY otherwise they wouldn’t have anything nearly as good IN-THE-CAN! It’s like waiting for the Red 6K Dragon Sensor that will have 16 Stops of “Dynamic Range”, 2,000 ASA/ISO, and all sorts of goodies on a new “BUILD FOUR”! It will happen between December of 2012 and April of 2013, it will happen, perhaps incrementally, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN!

So let’s take a step back to the last two paragraphs of the article that appeared in the The Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/the-hobbit-peter-jackson-warner-bros-1-billion-79301 “SO NOW, ALMOST MIRACULOUSLY, THERE WILL BE THREE HOBBITS INSTEAD OF NONE -- which often seemed like the easier option. But the temptation of going back to the Tolkien well was too rich to resist. "At every junction, someone had to say, 'I know it's a problem, but let's go forward,' " says Horn.”Or, 'I know it's more expensive than we thought it would be, but it's worth it.' "Of course, Horn acknowledges that it only will become clear whether the struggle was worth it when the movies come out. "The audience will decide," he says. "BUT I'VE SEEN THE FIRST MOVIE -- AND IT'S A JOY TO BE BACK IN THAT WORLD." THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER

Let me quote what it says above; “SO NOW, ALMOST MIRACULOUSLY, THERE WILL BE THREE HOBBITS INSTEAD OF NONE”, Instead of NONE! Yes NONE!

Thank God that the Moon and the Planets lined up correctly for this to happen, thank God that the 5K Epic Camera was ready for Production when Peter Jackson was, thank God that there will be an opening of the FIRST FILM on “December 2012 Worldwide”! How you see-it is your Choice!

Humberto Rivera
 
Humberto Rivera said:
FIRST LED ME SAY; “There will be a 24 Frames per second, 270 Degree shutter, 2D Presentation that will available forever”! That’s an indisputable fact!
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this is easily disputed... unless you are suggesting that future delivery applications will be backwards compatible, the same way my 16x9 HDTV can play the twilight zone in it's original 4X3 SD broadcast format. still, tons of classic films are getting post conversions as we speak. my TV even has a crappy feature that 'converts' 2D into 3D. it kinda sorta works a little. but who knows where technology will take us? i can easily imagine seeing Casablanca on HBO in UHD 3D in 10 years. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i'm just saying the odds are high. just think about how much pan and scan you've seen.

but what we are talking about here is an evolution in the capture standards of everything shot from today through the future. it is not only possible, but (in my opinion) likely, that once we are all dead, the generation that follows will look upon 24fps 2D in the same manner we view content shot in the 50's. we have hit the point that a movie (the artist) was made ABOUT this generational divide in content aesthetics. and it was nominated for an oscar for cinematography because everyone was so astonished that the look could still be pulled off so convincingly.

i would also like to point out that that film was about exactly what is going on now. i wonder how many quotes you could find from the 20's about what a stupid, trashy gimmick 'talkies' were that would match word for word with what i keep reading about HFR and 3D... or digital cinema in general for that matter.
 
Alec Morris said:
this is easily disputed... unless you are suggesting that future delivery applications will be backwards compatible, the same way my 16x9 HDTV can play the twilight zone in it's original 4X3 SD broadcast format. still, tons of classic films are getting post conversions as we speak. my TV even has a crappy feature that 'converts' 2D into 3D. it kinda sorta works a little. but who knows where technology will take us? i can easily imagine seeing Casablanca on HBO in UHD 3D in 10 years. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i'm just saying the odds are high. just think about how much pan and scan you've seen.

but what we are talking about here is an evolution in the capture standards of everything shot from today through the future. it is not only possible, but (in my opinion) likely, that once we are all dead, the generation that follows will look upon 24fps 2D in the same manner we view content shot in the 50's. we have hit the point that a movie (the artist) was made ABOUT this generational divide in content aesthetics. and it was nominated for an oscar for cinematography because everyone was so astonished that the look could still be pulled off so convincingly.

i would also like to point out that that film was about exactly what is going on now. i wonder how many quotes you could find from the 20's about what a stupid, trashy gimmick 'talkies' were that would match word for word with what i keep reading about HFR and 3D... or digital cinema in general for that matter.
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Very few, actually.

I would also dispute the comments about HFR and 3D somehow being inevitable. The example I would refer to would be colorization of black and white films, something that was introduced with huge promises and a lot of the same things that are being said here about 3D. But the fact is that the audience was uninterested, sales dropped off quickly, and the technology eventually died. Although not really, because a lot of that technology was adopted for the purposes of, yes, 3D conversion, and what was once the leading colorization company is now Legend 3D, a leading 3D conversion company. Although I would be hard pressed to figure out which venture (colorization or 3D conversion) was ultimately less profitable.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, especially if the general public doesn't really like it.
 
Alec Morris said:
this is easily disputed... unless you are suggesting that future delivery applications will be backwards compatible, the same way my 16x9 HDTV can play the twilight zone in it's original 4X3 SD broadcast format. still, tons of classic films are getting post conversions as we speak. my TV even has a crappy feature that 'converts' 2D into 3D. it kinda sorta works a little. but who knows where technology will take us? i can easily imagine seeing Casablanca on HBO in UHD 3D in 10 years. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i'm just saying the odds are high. just think about how much pan and scan you've seen.

but what we are talking about here is an evolution in the capture standards of everything shot from today through the future. it is not only possible, but (in my opinion) likely, that once we are all dead, the generation that follows will look upon 24fps 2D in the same manner we view content shot in the 50's. we have hit the point that a movie (the artist) was made ABOUT this generational divide in content aesthetics. and it was nominated for an oscar for cinematography because everyone was so astonished that the look could still be pulled off so convincingly.

i would also like to point out that that film was about exactly what is going on now. i wonder how many quotes you could find from the 20's about what a stupid, trashy gimmick 'talkies' were that would match word for word with what i keep reading about HFR and 3D... or digital cinema in general for that matter.
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Exactly!

Tonfilm-ist-Kitsch.jpg


Source: http://www.kvlegal.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Tonfilm-ist-Kitsch.jpg
 
Translation:

Against the talkies!
For living artists!

To the audience!
Attention!
Dangers of talking pictures!

Many cinemas need to close due to introduction of sound and lack of varied programs!

Sound film's kitsch!
Anyone who loves art and artists, rejects the talkies!

Sound film is one-sided!
100% talkie = 100% flattening!

Sound film's economic and spiritual murder!
His tins apparatus sounds Holabird, liable squeaks, spoils the hearing and ruined the lives of musicians and artists!

Sound film is poorly preserved theater at inflated prices!

Therefore:
Call for good silent films!
Call for orchestral accompaniment by musicians!
Call for stage show with artists!
Rejects the talkies!

Where no cinema is available with musicians or stage show:
Attended the variety show!

International Artists
Loge E.V.

German Musician - Association


If we've just ever listened to them...
 
Alec Morris
Originally Posted by Humberto Rivera
FIRST LED ME SAY; “There will be a 24 Frames per second, 270 Degree shutter, 2D Presentation that will available forever”! That’s an indisputable fact!

this is easily disputed... unless you are suggesting that future delivery applications will be backwards compatible, the same way my 16x9 HDTV can play the twilight zone in it's original 4X3 SD broadcast format. still, tons of classic films are getting post conversions as we speak. my TV even has a crappy feature that 'converts' 2D into 3D. it kinda sorta works a little. but who knows where technology will take us? i can easily imagine seeing Casablanca on HBO in UHD 3D in 10 years. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i'm just saying the odds are high. just think about how much pan and scan you've seen.

but what we are talking about here is an evolution in the capture standards of everything shot from today through the future. it is not only possible, but (in my opinion) likely, that once we are all dead, the generation that follows will look upon 24fps 2D in the same manner we view content shot in the 50's. we have hit the point that a movie (the artist) was made ABOUT this generational divide in content aesthetics. and it was nominated for an oscar for cinematography because everyone was so astonished that the look could still be pulled off so convincingly.

i would also like to point out that that film was about exactly what is going on now. i wonder how many quotes you could find from the 20's about what a stupid, trashy gimmick 'talkies' were that would match word for word with what i keep reading about HFR and 3D... or digital cinema in general for that matter.
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I’m not suggesting any of that, I’m just simply saying; “There will be a 24 Frames per second, 270 Degree shutter, 2D Presentation that will available forever”! That’s an indisputable fact!” Let me amplified for clarity; “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey” which will Screen Worldwide in December of 2012, it already has a 24 FPS, 270 Degree Shutter DOES IN FACT EXIST, and is being ready for distribution along with all the other releasing formats, languages, type of projectors or any other variable meant for this FILM!


Humberto Rivera
 
Al Lougher said:
Not sure if this has been posted before but \.
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In other words, you did not read the 147 posts proceeding yours..." because the answer is yes... the same thing has been suggested over and over and over....

the good news is Peter Jackson is going to release the film in multiple versions. (also mentioned in this thread repeatedly)

I am going to reserve judgement since this was shot and intended for HFR 3D and therefore I'll watch it in its intended ideal format of HFR 3D
 
Al Lougher said:
Not sure if this has been posted before but if you want to see The Hobbit 2D trailer @48fps you can download it here: http://www.lukeletellier.com/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=The+Hobbit+Trailer+%40+48fps+-+High+Quality.flv
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It's just another home-made post-converted/interpolated version, not the real deal. Don't judge by it, don't assume this is close to what the real footage will look or just don't waste your time with that. ;)

"DISCLAIMER: This video is an UNOFFICIAL presentation of the trailer in the 48fps format, and contains occasional visual distortions that are a result of the conversion process. This footage does NOT truly demonstrate how the final version of the film will appear; it merely helps to demonstrate how it will be different from a normal 24fps film."
source: http://www.lukeletellier.com/?portfolio=post-converting-the-hobbit-trailer-to-48fps
 
BTW, how comes that we havn't seen some real 48fps footage? Don't we have the people and cams here to do it? ;)
 
48 fps is only coming to 3d showings, and the studio will not be releasing a 48 fps version in 2d. i think a high framerate is good for 3d, and will enhance the experience very much so. but on the flip side, in the 2d world, 24p is here to stay for cinema.
 
I will reserve judgment until I see it for myself. I myself am very tied in to 24fps but will try and keep an open mind when viewing, as art is subjective and ever evolving.
 
Also the LA times. Seems to be getting seriously mixed reviews for the 48fps all over the place. Maybe the 3d will make a difference but I'm personally sceptical. I haven't seen it in The Hobbit but any 48fps I've seen looks like some awful daytime soap opera bladder, disrupting the cinematic experience for me and constantly taking me out of the movie. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and it'll be amazing - interested to see.
 
Tom.Wong said:
48 fps is only coming to 3d showings, and the studio will not be releasing a 48 fps version in 2d. i think a high framerate is good for 3d, and will enhance the experience very much so. but on the flip side, in the 2d world, 24p is here to stay for cinema.
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Me like! :-)
 
Al Lougher said:
Not sure if this has been posted before but if you want to see The Hobbit 2D trailer @48fps you can download it here: http://www.lukeletellier.com/wp-con...The+Hobbit+Trailer+@+48fps+-+High+Quality.flv

It's very clear that 48fps is only benificial to 3D movies as 2D just looks exactly like video, something that we've all seen before. Nothing new here.
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Exept from the crisp images, I se no difference between this and the good old 50interlaced! :-) (which also samples the motion 50 times a second...)
 
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